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sky

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 11:39 am

https://sacramento.cbslocal.co.....ties/

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A new analysis finds several counties with above-average vaccination rates also have higher COVID case rates, while case rates are falling in counties with below-average vaccination rates.
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He, like other infectious disease experts, warns that vaccinated people may be unknowingly spreading the virus.

And this -

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/2......html

Quote:

CDC to reverse indoor mask policy, saying fully vaccinated people should wear them indoors in Covid hot spots

If I’m supposed to be hosting a vaccinated family who may have been exposed so I now have to worry they can be transmitting it and not showing symptoms.

southernbubby

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 12:05 pm

If they were exposed, don't host them.

sky

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 12:10 pm

southernbubby wrote:

If they were exposed, don't host them.

They are after the amount of time to wait.
But information like this scares me bec it’s like tons of unknown carriers.

amother

Marigold

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 12:12 pm

sky wrote:

They are after the amount of time to wait.
But information like this scares me bec it’s like tons of unknown carriers.

So have them test. Vaccinated people can still spread it.

The higher numbers of cases in the higher vaccinated areas is truly frightening. Look at Isreal and the UK as they are reporting their numbers more accurately than the US is.

amother

Honey

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 12:51 pm

Last year, when Israel had just started vaccinating, there was a temporary surge: People a week before their second dose, or just afterwards, were mixing freely with no masks. They figured they were immune or would soon be immune and stopped taking precautions.

Many of these people caught coronavirus and did not require the second dose, and many many others had to delay their second dose because they were in quarantine due to exposure to a confirmed patient.

When the educational campaigns improved and people understood that you are only immune two weeks after the second dose, and enough people were vaccinated, the numbers began to drop and remained very low (single digits, or double digits in the teens) until the Delta wave hit.

So when you say that counties with more people vaccinated are also seeing higher numbers, what do I think?

It's always possible that it's because vaccinated people spread coronavirus, but that's not likely given recent research.

More probable is one or more of the following:
* vaccinated individuals believe they are 100% immune and threw precaution to the wind
* vaccinated individuals living in vaccinated counties believe their counties have achieved herd immunity, and allow their unvaccinated children to mix more freely, leading to a spike in cases among the unvaccinated kids
* vaccinated individuals are also more likely to test for coronavirus than those who refuse to vax and who are highly likely to be anti-mask and anti-testing as well, since "covid is just the flu."

amother

Marigold

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 12:55 pm

amother [ Honey ] wrote:

If the vaccine worked well, vaccinated people should be able to throw precautions to the wind. That's the point of getting vaccinated. Additionally, vaccinated people are less likely to test since they would assume they are not going to get covid.

amother

Honey

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 1:01 pm

amother [ Marigold ] wrote:

You need both doses, and these people were mixing BEFORE their second dose or immediately after, before they were immune (it takes two weeks after the second dose before you are immune).

That was precisely my point. And we DID throw precautions to the wind, after enough of us were fully vaccinated (two weeks after the second dose), and we were fine, for months, until Delta hit. But nothing is 100% and you still need to be careful until you achieve that critical mass, and careful to avoid bringing in mutations afterwards.

Delta is a mutation that is more contagious and than the original and alpha variants, and even though the vaccine does a good job at preventing serious illness among the vaccinated, it doesn't do the best job at preventing infection amongst the vaccinated - because it is a mutation.

Plus just because you are vaccinated doesn't mean your unvaccinated kids can't catch it from their friends, so throwing precaution to the wind can be problematic.

Please reread what I wrote. You completely misunderstood. Or maybe you just picked a single sentence out of an entire post, and took it out of context to "prove" your point.

amother

DarkViolet

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 1:19 pm

amother [ Marigold ] wrote:

The vaccine starts to lose its effectiveness after 9 months AFAIK. It's still effective, but not as much as it was before. That's why there is already talk of a third vaccine in Israel. I assume it will be like the flu, and we will need to vaccinate every year for the next while.

The vaccine does still protect from very serious illness. The bulk of patients on respirators in Israel are unvaccinated I believe, whereas the bulk of the population IS vaccinated. That says a lot.

amother

Electricblue

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 1:21 pm

amother [ DarkViolet ] wrote:

Regarding the bolded, has there been studies to confirm that or are people just speculating? And if covid gives you antibodies and T-cell then why doesnt the vaccine give you the same as well?

amother

DarkViolet

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 1:23 pm

amother [ Electricblue ] wrote:

Regarding the bolded, has there been studies to confirm that or are people just speculating? And if covid gives you antibodies and T-cell then why doesnt the vaccine give you the same as well?

There have been studies done in Israel.
The antibodies from being sick with covid also decrease greatly with time.

amother

Electricblue

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 1:25 pm

amother [ DarkViolet ] wrote:

There have been studies done in Israel.
The antibodies from being sick with covid also decrease greatly with time.

The vaccine hasnt been around that long so how did they do studies proving that it loses effectiveness around 9 months? Or that there are no t-cells from covid or the vaccine to protect people from getting sick?

southernbubby

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 1:34 pm

amother [ Electricblue ] wrote:

Those who were in the study started last year.

amother

Electricblue

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 1:37 pm

southernbubby wrote:

Those who were in the study started last year.

The studies were unblinded and discontinued. So where is the data showing that the vaccine loses effectiveness after 9 months? Or that there are no t-cells from covid itself or the vaccine to protect people from the virus?

amother

Honey

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 1:38 pm

amother [ Electricblue ] wrote:

It HAS been around that long.

amother

Honey

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 1:38 pm

double

amother

Honey

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 1:40 pm

amother [ DarkViolet ] wrote:

There have been studies done in Israel.
The antibodies from being sick with covid also decrease greatly with time.

Yes, and this is precisely the reason why no one bothered to create a vaccine for any coronavirus until the pandemic. Because natural antibodies from coronaviruses last for a relatively short time, and there was no reason to believe vaccines would be different, and no one is really interested in getting booster shots for a coronavirus every six months to a year.

amother

Electricblue

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 1:53 pm

amother [ Honey ] wrote:

It HAS been around that long.

The actual original studies were unblinded and discontinued. Are you saying that the entire Israeli population participated in a study with no known results prior to be given the vaccine?

amother

Honey

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 2:01 pm

amother [ Electricblue ] wrote:

The actual original studies were unblinded and discontinued. Are you saying that the entire Israeli population participated in a study with no known results prior to be given the vaccine?

They continued long enough for us to reach the nine-month mark and know how high antibodies are by then.

Mishmish

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 2:13 pm

amother [ Marigold ] wrote:

The point of getting vaccinated is to increase your chances of not becoming severely ill or worse from covid. The vaccines work extremely well at this. They do not, however, appear to entirely prevent the ability to transmit the virus. However, fully vaccinated individuals may have lower viral loads and therefore be less effective spreaders. This is all being researched. https://www.nature.com/article.....316-7

Remaining unvaccinated provides you with zero protection against severe illness from covid and makes you an excellent potential spreader, particularly if you are not wearing a mask and social distancing.

amother

Electricblue

Tue, Jul 27 2021, 2:16 pm

amother [ Honey ] wrote:

They continued long enough for us to reach the nine-month mark and know how high antibodies are by then.

Are you saying that regular people not participating in the studies were given vaccines before the studies were completed?
And can you please post these studies?

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