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Are taanug bran flakes pas/bishul yisroel?



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amother
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Post Fri, Sep 10 2021, 11:58 am
It doesn’t say it on the box. Anyone know?
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dankbar




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Sep 10 2021, 12:15 pm
Sure it's a heimish company with a heimish hechsher
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amother
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Post Fri, Sep 10 2021, 12:54 pm
dankbar wrote:
Sure it's a heimish company with a heimish hechsher


That’s what I thought but it doesn’t say it on the box. Other cereals say bishul Yisroel. It’s possible this one isn’t. Maybe they repackaged this cereal from another company and it’s not bishul Yisroel. I know they do that sometimes.
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miami85




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Sep 10 2021, 12:58 pm
I don't think cereals need to be pas/bishul yisroel for aseres yimei teshuva purposes. Bishul yisroel mainly applies to foods that would be "al shulchan hamelech"--never saw cereal at a dignified dinner and most cereals are not baked or considered "pas"
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amother
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Post Fri, Sep 10 2021, 12:59 pm
miami85 wrote:
I don't think cereals need to be pas/bishul yisroel for aseres yimei teshuva purposes. Bishul yisroel mainly applies to foods that would be "al shulchan hamelech"--never saw cereal at a dignified dinner and most cereals are not baked or considered "pas"


It’s brought down that all mezonos and hamotzie should be bishul Yisroel and that’s what we follow
There is a reason why cereal boxes state bishul Yisroel
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dankbar




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Sep 10 2021, 1:02 pm
Call the company
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amother
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Post Fri, Sep 10 2021, 2:08 pm
We learned in halacha taught by well known posek that pas yisroel doesnt apply to cereal. He did mention that cheerios *may* be an exception.


Also bishul yisrael and pas yisrael are very different.
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Amelia Bedelia




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Sep 10 2021, 2:52 pm
Sure it is!
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chocolate moose




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Sep 10 2021, 3:22 pm
most cereals are steamed not baked. pas yisroel would not apply in that case.
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amother
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Post Fri, Sep 10 2021, 4:05 pm
Amelia Bedelia wrote:
Sure it is!


How do you know?
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amother
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Post Fri, Sep 10 2021, 4:11 pm
miami85 wrote:
I don't think cereals need to be pas/bishul yisroel for aseres yimei teshuva purposes. Bishul yisroel mainly applies to foods that would be "al shulchan hamelech"--never saw cereal at a dignified dinner and most cereals are not baked or considered "pas"


Copied from Hefkervelt-

WHICH FOODS ARE REQUIRED TO BE PAS YISRAEL?

Only bread or bread-family products made from the five species of grain are required to be pas Yisroel. Rice, corn, legume and soy bread do not need to be pas Yisrael.(15)

“Bread” includes any baked item over which one would recite ha-Motzi if he were to make a meal (kevius seudah) consisting of that food.(16) Thus, all breads, cakes, cookies, crackers, pretzels, etc., are included in the category of bread.(17) Pasta, flat pancakes, crepe-like blintzes, farfel, soup croutons, doughnuts, etc., are not considered “bread”, and need not meet the requirements of pas Yisrael.(18)

Many poskim hold that pure mezonos cereals whose raw batter rises just like bread dough rises, e.g., Cheerios, Grape Nuts, Wheat Chex, are also required to be pas Yisrael.(19) Most other cereals, though, are not considered bread family products and may be eaten during Aseres yemei teshuvah even though they are not pas Yisrael. [Nor do these cereals fall into the category of bishul akum, since they are not considered “important” foods which would be served to dignitaries. See The Daily Halachah Discussion, pgs. 255-258, for more details concerning the laws of bishul akum.]
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Just One




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Sep 10 2021, 4:12 pm
It has a trustworthy chassidishe hashgacha. They are careful with bishel Yisrael.
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amother
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Post Fri, Sep 10 2021, 5:03 pm
miami85 wrote:
I don't think cereals need to be pas/bishul yisroel for aseres yimei teshuva purposes. Bishul yisroel mainly applies to foods that would be "al shulchan hamelech"--never saw cereal at a dignified dinner and most cereals are not baked or considered "pas"

What is the source for bishul yisroel only for aseres yimei teshuva? Is it a chumra, kabbalah?
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amother
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Post Sat, Sep 11 2021, 10:03 pm
amother [ Begonia ] wrote:
What is the source for bishul yisroel only for aseres yimei teshuva? Is it a chumra, kabbalah?

Anybody know the source?
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amother
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Post Sat, Sep 11 2021, 10:34 pm
amother [ Begonia ] wrote:
Anybody know the source?


Bishol yisroel is all year. Bishol yisroel doesn't apply to things thst are eaten raw, cooked partially by a Jew or not served on a kings table but many are makpid since a king can eat anything today it applies to everything except raw and if a jew was involved in cooking.

Pas yisroel is a chumra all year (which we keep) except required in aseres ymei teshuva. It was originally required always but the rabonim saw it was too hard for people to keep and so they made it required only in aseres ymei teshuva but many like myself keep all year.
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STMommy




 
 
    
 

Post Sat, Sep 11 2021, 10:38 pm
Source is the Shulchan Aruch.

Here is a more detailed discussion:
https://torah.org/torah-portio.....uvah/
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boat




 
 
    
 

Post Sat, Sep 11 2021, 11:48 pm
Also see this. Note topic is pas, not bishul.

https://hefkervelt.blogspot.co.....l?m=1
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