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Laiya




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 8:49 am
heidi wrote:
In Israel even those who had covid are urged to vaccinate at least one vaccine.


But not within 6 months, correct?
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amother
Raspberry


 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 8:52 am
southernbubby wrote:
I will say that Best Bubby must be doing something right because she claims that she never caught Covid despite probable exposure and she didn't take the vaccine. Most of us would love that type of immunity. We need her to stay healthy because she has great ideas for Chanukah gifts for grandchildren to post on here and I am sure that her family has even better reasons for wanting her to stay healthy.


Yes, believe it or not, people are following medical advice and protecting themselves with prophylactic anti-virals and anti-parasitics and essential vitamins and they’re ok. Shocker!
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amother
Raspberry


 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 8:56 am
amother [ Cerulean ] wrote:
And by the way, I know hundreds of people who have been infected with covid a second time. HUNDREDS.


Pray, tell, of those hundreds, how many were hospitalized and died? Probably the exact same amount (if not less) than those who got Covid after the vaccine.
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#BestBubby




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 9:04 am
southernbubby wrote:
I will say that Best Bubby must be doing something right because she claims that she never caught Covid despite probable exposure and she didn't take the vaccine. Most of us would love that type of immunity. We need her to stay healthy because she has great ideas for Chanukah gifts for grandchildren to post on here and I am sure that her family has even better reasons for wanting her to stay healthy.


Thank you. Southern Bubby.

BH I rarely even get a cold and never the flu.

My precautions are taking vitamins like quercitin (like hydroxycloroquine) zinc, vit. c, vit d, iodine drops in water,a good multi.

Most important DAVVEN daily for good health for my family and me.

I should eat better and get more sleep.
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amother
Hunter


 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 9:08 am
Also for all those who are saying “buttt israel was vaccinated and then it got really bad again”
- as seen by people who have gotten COVID Twice - immunity dips
- the fact that people DIDNT get vaccinated right away, provided amble opportunity for those who did not get vaccinated to spread to those who immunity was waining
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amother
Tomato


 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 9:18 am
I think Its possible that with all the cardiac side effects of the vaccine , ppl are unfortunately getting heart attacks etc and getting sick and more ecmo machines are needed due to the vaccine !!!
Look at the VAERS website. Even the CDC acknowledged myocarditis in young ppl !! And in Sweden they stopped the moderna vaccine for those under 30 . Only G-d knows . Vaccinated people can spread the virus as much as the non- vaccinated . It’s a shame governments have been bribed to such an extent to not allow successful drug treatments to be utilized .
I just saw a video of a doctor in Canada who was fired for giving ivermectin even though it saved his patients .
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amother
Cherry


 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 9:38 am
southernbubby wrote:
I will say that Best Bubby must be doing something right because she claims that she never caught Covid despite probable exposure and she didn't take the vaccine. Most of us would love that type of immunity. We need her to stay healthy because she has great ideas for Chanukah gifts for grandchildren to post on here and I am sure that her family has even better reasons for wanting her to stay healthy.

That is nice of you to post although I too have never caught covid and have no antibodies. I also am not yet vaccinated. Living in Brooklyn.
My husband got it about six mo ago, mild case. I was exposed over and over again from the very beginning and never got sick. My (8) kids also never caught it, some of them have antibodies and some of them don't.
We take zero precautions (stupidly, but that's life). I take no vitamins, don't get enough sleep, eat unhealthy and get little exercise.
I'm not saying this all because I'm proud of it, I'm describing the reality of my life.

Point is, Hashem works in ways we don't understand. I plan to get the vaccine soon because I believe that getting covid is only a matter of time and the vaccine lessens the effects of the virus.
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gold21




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 9:47 am
amother [ Hunter ] wrote:
Also for all those who are saying “buttt israel was vaccinated and then it got really bad again”
- as seen by people who have gotten COVID Twice - immunity dips
- the fact that people DIDNT get vaccinated right away, provided amble opportunity for those who did not get vaccinated to spread to those who immunity was waining


https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06......html

According to this article on CNN today, immunity begins to wane 2 months after vaccination. TWO MONTHS. How do you propose that an entire planet get fully vaccinated within that two month window before anyone's immunity begins to wane and before the breakthrough infections begin, allowing the cycle of covid to continue? Furthermore, as per this article, natural immunity is more robust than vaccinated immunity, which is what we've been saying all along. It does last longer and there are many fewer repeat infections.

Please give me a common sense response to these very legitimate questions.
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amother
Hunter


 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 10:13 am
As per this research article:

https://doi.org/10.1016/S2666-5247(21)00219-6


gold21 wrote:
Furthermore, as per this article, natural immunity is more robust than vaccinated immunity, which is what we've been saying all along.
It does last longer and there are many fewer repeat infections.



That is incorrect.
I’ll post the conclusion here, as often people don’t actually read research


Quote:
Undue public confidence in the long-term durability of immunity following natural infection by SARS-CoV-2 has been shown to contribute to vaccine hesitancy,34 perhaps because of a false equivalence with the long-term immunity after natural recovery from evolutionarily divergent viruses causing diseases such as measles, mumps, and rubella. By contrast, numerous respiratory viruses such as influenza, human rhinoviruses, or coronaviruses can overcome the immunity conferred by previous infections by evolving new variants in the protein domains most frequently surveilled and targeted by the human immune system. Just over a year into the COVID-19 pandemic, novel SARS-CoV-2 variants that can vary in severity of infection and evoke differential immune system responses and that can thwart the durability of immunity started arising.35 Such novel variants probably play a similar evolutionary role in the persistence of lower-severity, endemic human coronaviruses.4 Mitigation of the potential evolution of immune-evading SARS-CoV-2 variants in the near-future might depend crucially on a rapid global deployment of vaccination, which can induce higher immunogenicity than natural infection.36
The hallmark of the modern world is going to be the evolution of new threats to human health. Evolutionary biology, which provided the theoretical foundations for these analyses, is traditionally considered a historical discipline. However, our findings underscore its important role in informing decision making. Our results provide a crucial stepping stone toward robust knowledge of our prospects of resistance to SARS-CoV-2 reinfection. These prospects can guide myriad public health decisions until a long-term cohort study comprehensively and definitively quantifying SARS-CoV-2 reinfection risks becomes feasible. When more data become available on antibody declines following vaccination, our approach could be extended to assess which vaccines provide longer immunity than natural infection and stronger protection against emerging variants. Moreover, evolutionary immunological inference can be deployed on future emerging diseases, rapidly informing critical gaps in knowledge necessary for effective pandemic response.
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gold21




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 10:36 am
amother [ Hunter ] wrote:
As per this research article:

https://doi.org/10.1016/S2666-5247(21)00219-6




Did you read the article I linked?
What exactly is incorrect? Are you saying the studies coming out of Israel & Qatar, referred to in this CNN article, are "incorrect"? How's that? The science was incorrect? The studies were incorrect? What is incorrect?

"Often people don't read the research"- Do you refer to yourself here? Wink

I briefly skimmed the text you linked in your post and immediately spotted this key phrase- "When more data becomes available on antibody declines after vaccination....." Not much of a study without data, is it. Is this what you refer to as "research"? More data has since emerged. The research is ongoing. Science evolves.


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southernbubby




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 10:43 am
amother [ Cherry ] wrote:
That is nice of you to post although I too have never caught covid and have no antibodies. I also am not yet vaccinated. Living in Brooklyn.
My husband got it about six mo ago, mild case. I was exposed over and over again from the very beginning and never got sick. My (8) kids also never caught it, some of them have antibodies and some of them don't.
We take zero precautions (stupidly, but that's life). I take no vitamins, don't get enough sleep, eat unhealthy and get little exercise.
I'm not saying this all because I'm proud of it, I'm describing the reality of my life.

Point is, Hashem works in ways we don't understand. I plan to get the vaccine soon because I believe that getting covid is only a matter of time and the vaccine lessens the effects of the virus.


Maybe someone should study people like you who don't do anything special and still stay healthy, BH!
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amother
Hunter


 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 10:54 am
gold21 wrote:
Did you read the article I linked?
What exactly is incorrect? Are you saying the studies coming out of Israel & Qatar, referred to in this CNN article, are "incorrect"? How's that? The science was incorrect? The studies were incorrect? What is incorrect?

"Often people don't read the research"- Do you refer to yourself here? Wink

I briefly skimmed the text you linked in your post and immediately spotted this key phrase- "When more data becomes available on antibody declines after vaccination....." Not much of a study without data, is it. Is this what you refer to as "research"? More data has since emerged. The research is ongoing. Science evolves.




Your articles (the actual studies not the CNN article) studied the decline of the vaccination, which I never denied occurs.
My article was about natural immunity decline - in response to you saying that natural immunity was more effective.

It is incorrect to say that natural antibodies are more effective then vaccine antibodies based on research discussing vaccine effectiveness waining, as that study was not comparing the the effectiveness of the two immunities.
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gold21




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 11:04 am
amother [ Hunter ] wrote:
Your articles (the actual studies not the CNN article) studied the decline of the vaccination, which I never denied occurs.
My article was about natural immunity decline - in response to you saying that natural immunity was more effective.

It is incorrect to say that natural antibodies are more effective then vaccine antibodies based on research discussing vaccine effectiveness waining, as that study was not comparing the the effectiveness of the two immunities.


"The study also indicated that immunity for people who get vaccinated after natural Covid-19 infection lasts longer. It's especially strong for people who recovered from infection and then got vaccinated, also. "Overall, the accumulating evidence from our study and others shows that long-term humoral response and vaccine effectiveness in previously infected persons were superior to that in recipients of two doses of vaccine," they wrote."

Certainly backs the argument that the strength of natural immunity is being ignored

(Btw why did the author of this article repeat herself in the first two sentences of this snippet.... And where was the editor.... It looks funny the way it's written)
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naomi2




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 11:28 am
Sixofwands wrote-Once again, why are only the concerns of the unvaccinated deemed important?
And I answered because she is not in charge of other people

Amalia wrote:
Can you please answer the last question in SixOfWands’ post?


How is that not an answer to her question?
Even if both concerns are valid, she cannot dictate what other people should do just like I can't dictate what she should do.
The threat of dying from covid for the average person is so tiny, it doesn't warrant government intervention and suspension of rights. You would have to explain why rights Arent suspended for more deadly and more prevalent diseases or conditions at this time.
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amother
Honeydew


 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 11:39 am
Actually yes many studies are suddenly coming out now showing natural immunity to be approx 16 x stronger than vax immunity as well as lasting longer at least a year.

That said for those without antibodies and above a certain age or other mitigating factors sure understNS taking the vax to cut risk of serious covid as opposed to light mild case.

Though everyone can and should decide for his or herself. No one needs me to understand or agree with their decisions. and vice versa.
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#BestBubby




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 11:42 am
southernbubby wrote:
Maybe someone should study people like you who don't do anything special and still stay healthy, BH!


The point is we are all UNIQUE INDIVIDUALS with unique strengths and risks.

But Tyrant government keeps coercing "one size fits all" health care.

That is very dangerous and Anti Science.

Socialists dont care about SACRIFICING individuals as long as they claim the majority benefits.

Scary!
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amother
Honeydew


 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 12:35 pm
Just read that dr at John’s Hopkins says natural immunity is now calculated and shown to be 27 times more effective than vaccinated immunity levels.
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#BestBubby




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 2:15 pm
SixOfWands wrote:
Why do you feel that you have the right to demand that I be in close proximity with anyone I choose not to be in close proximity with? Why do you believe that non-vaxers are the only ones with rights?


If you don't want to be in the company of those with STRONGER then vaccinated Natural Immunity,
then stay home.

You don't get to COERCE IMMUNE People to get vaccinated and maybe injured or killed
because you are Anti-Science and don't believe in Natural Immunity!
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amother
Mistyrose


 

Post Thu, Oct 07 2021, 9:18 pm
That is terrible for you OP. My heart goes out to you and they are sooooo wrong.

When unvaccinated get Covid, if they have enough of it to be contagious they have obvious symptoms.

Now I heard a heartwrenching story. Said vaccinated person got covid. 3 days after diagnosis decided to visit elderly relative with other elderly people in attendance. 5 old people caught it from them.

SELFISH people create problems, not unvaccinated people.
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