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amother
Impatiens


 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 8:39 am
There are plenty of anti-mandate protests:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertai......html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news.....P8OOe

https://www.dallasnews.com/bus.....s-hq/

Even BLM has called the mandates racist:-- https://www.cnsnews.com/index......acist

https://conventionofstates.com.....apers

Lots of people showing up at hearings to oppose the mandates-- https://slenterprise.com/index.....ments

Thousands more are losing their jobs-- https://www.reuters.com/busine.....0-04/

Airline workers and amtrak employees are striking and flights and trains are delayed and/or cancelled. At this point, there are more people who are openly against these mandates than the people who participated in the study posted in this thread. So clearly, the study does not prove that majority of Americans want the mandates so that is just a lie that was invented by the sponsors of the study who happen to be facebook (who is censoring people they disagree with). Jews are not white and shouldnt be included as white in a study (I happen to be Latino but would say I am Jewish so why would they put me in a "white" category? That is if they would even dare to call me which they didnt because they didnt include Jews in the study). Even Israel isnt firing healthcare workers or pilots so they are not as crazy as America (at least for now, lets hope that they dont change). And deciding who gets treatment is no different than Mengele deciding who gets to live and die (and Germans used Jews as guinea pigs for their medical experiments which is what is happening now with the vaccines as well).
This is no longer about health, this is about control. From taking away life saving medication to firing people from their jobs to denying medical treatment, all of it is abusive narcissistic control that has nothing to do with health. Not sure why anyone even defends any of it but then again, lots of abusive narcissists sadly have enablers so no surprise that the abusive narcissists have enablers in this case as well (presumably because the enablers dont want to be their target so they just agree with it in the hopes of not having to go through it). Sad that this has become America and hope that people wake up and vote these abusive narcissistic democrats out of office.
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Ema of 5




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 9:31 am
LovesHashem wrote:
Policies change. That’s part of life.

If they also make everyone has their other vaccines up to date it doesn’t sound so off to me.

I understand that, but policies are not supposed to change like this, from one month to the next, with no warning, and no expectation of help from the hospital in order to deal with the change.
And I’m sorry, but it’s silly to require this particular vaccine for organ donors and recipients, when there’s so much controversy around it.
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amother
Calendula


 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 10:19 am
No need to sell medical freedom to people just stop propagandizing and weaponizing fear, divisiveness, and authoritarian control laws
- not a chiddush rather the natural healthy state of affairs which has been being steadily eroded and assaulted
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amother
Garnet


 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 10:34 am
amother [ NeonPurple ] wrote:
As much as people like to convince themselves that anti vaxx and COVID denialism puts them in the brave minority, the fact is in the frum community they are the majority. It is much, much harder and more complicated if you try to insist on masking and COVID precautions and there certainly is no community support for your stance. You will be called a meshuggener, a liberal shill, a communist, a socialist or worse.

In the frum community, it is the pro vaxxers who are being bullied into silence.


No one should be bullying you. It is just wrong. Full stop. But you can't tell others what to do. You can take your precautions and others can take theirs.

In the MO community you are the major majority. And I do not agree that there is any covid denialism in any frum community. Everyone believes there is a new virus, that can be very dangerous for some people.

It is just that most of the community believe that natural immunity is potent and life must continue. Most people believe if they are sick to stay home too unless they test negative.
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amother
Calendula


 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 10:38 am
Good point - the whole denial of natural immunity in the US which Israeli studies show is 27 times more potent really is very telling and has vast ramifications
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southernbubby




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 11:21 am
amother [ Impatiens ] wrote:
There are plenty of anti-mandate protests:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertai......html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news.....P8OOe

https://www.dallasnews.com/bus.....s-hq/

Even BLM has called the mandates racist:-- https://www.cnsnews.com/index......acist

https://conventionofstates.com.....apers

Lots of people showing up at hearings to oppose the mandates-- https://slenterprise.com/index.....ments

Thousands more are losing their jobs-- https://www.reuters.com/busine.....0-04/

Airline workers and amtrak employees are striking and flights and trains are delayed and/or cancelled. At this point, there are more people who are openly against these mandates than the people who participated in the study posted in this thread. So clearly, the study does not prove that majority of Americans want the mandates so that is just a lie that was invented by the sponsors of the study who happen to be facebook (who is censoring people they disagree with). Jews are not white and shouldnt be included as white in a study (I happen to be Latino but would say I am Jewish so why would they put me in a "white" category? That is if they would even dare to call me which they didnt because they didnt include Jews in the study). Even Israel isnt firing healthcare workers or pilots so they are not as crazy as America (at least for now, lets hope that they dont change). And deciding who gets treatment is no different than Mengele deciding who gets to live and die (and Germans used Jews as guinea pigs for their medical experiments which is what is happening now with the vaccines as well).
This is no longer about health, this is about control. From taking away life saving medication to firing people from their jobs to denying medical treatment, all of it is abusive narcissistic control that has nothing to do with health. Not sure why anyone even defends any of it but then again, lots of abusive narcissists sadly have enablers so no surprise that the abusive narcissists have enablers in this case as well (presumably because the enablers dont want to be their target so they just agree with it in the hopes of not having to go through it). Sad that this has become America and hope that people wake up and vote these abusive narcissistic democrats out of office.


I didn't say that there were zero protests. They were relatively small in size, frequency, and number in contrast to BLM protests or for that matter, Trump rallies.
Southwest airlines denied that the recent lapse of service was related to the mandates.
Possibly most people oppose the mandates but not enough to avoid the vaccine or to fight for medical freedoms.
Have you organized a protest recently or contacted your elected officials? Which of the protests that you linked were attended by you and by people who you influence?
Personally, I live in a red state.
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amother
Impatiens


 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 11:50 am
southernbubby wrote:
I didn't say that there were zero protests. They were relatively small in size, frequency, and number in contrast to BLM protests or for that matter, Trump rallies.
Southwest airlines denied that the recent lapse of service was related to the mandates.
Possibly most people oppose the mandates but not enough to avoid the vaccine or to fight for medical freedoms.
Have you organized a protest recently or contacted your elected officials? Which of the protests that you linked were attended by you and by people who you influence?
Personally, I live in a red state.

I just bought a small sample of people protesting, striking or losing their jobs but there are thousands more out there openly opposing these mandates (suing, losing their jobs, protesting, etc). But just to be clear, the amount of people who are opposing these mandates is not sufficient enough for you to prove that majority of people are against it? Then how do you take a study that only included 1,519 people (or less than 1% of americans) and claim that majority of Americans want the mandates based on this small number of people interviewed? Why do 1,519 represent the majority of Americans but the thousands of people (in fact more than 1,519) protesting, suing, striking and/or losing their jobs (yes, including myself in case since you insist on making this personal) not represent the majority of Americans? Why the double standards?
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amother
Calendula


 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 11:55 am
The protests against mandates are mounting and snowballing.

Actually in Israel there was a massive protest in Tel Aviv against the green pass.
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Ema of 5




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 1:06 pm
southernbubby wrote:
I didn't say that there were zero protests. They were relatively small in size, frequency, and number in contrast to BLM protests or for that matter, Trump rallies.
Southwest airlines denied that the recent lapse of service was related to the mandates.
Possibly most people oppose the mandates but not enough to avoid the vaccine or to fight for medical freedoms.
Have you organized a protest recently or contacted your elected officials? Which of the protests that you linked were attended by you and by people who you influence?
Personally, I live in a red state.

Too many people in this country are living paycheck to paycheck and don’t have the option of protesting, thereby losing their job and income. And don’t forget, many who would quit or allow themselves to be fired won’t be eligible for unemployment, that is to our wonderful leadership.
Personally, I HAVE contacted my elected officials. I have even contacted officials where my children go to school, even though I don’t live there. I can’t go to or organize protests, I don’t have time time for it.
I WISH I lived in a red state….your red state, in fact 😂
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amother
Cadetblue


 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 1:22 pm
I am anti the vaccine mandate. It is communism at its best. My daughter an amazing teacher was told either vax or walk. She chose to walk. She's been on a few interviews and will iyh find another good job at a school that does not demand a vaccine amd they will be super lucky to get such an awesome teacher . I got the vaccine yesterday despite being completely against it because my mom is in israel and requested that I come. Although I know I could get in sans vax I'm not willing to take the risk of not being able to be present amd help her because I didn't vaccinate. I am seriously ill from that dam vax. Every single cell in my body aches I have a huge headache and lower back pain. Shocking (NOT) it feels VERY similar to my original covid sickness! Which is why those who recover from covid should NO WAY be pushed to take that horrible vax. Take 2 on covid hell trip.
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amother
Cadetblue


 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 1:23 pm
I am anti the vaccine mandate. It is communism at its best. My daughter an amazing teacher was told either vax or walk. She chose to walk. She's been on a few interviews and will iyh find another good job at a school that does not demand a vaccine amd they will be super lucky to get such an awesome teacher . I got the vaccine yesterday despite being completely against it because my mom is in israel and requested that I come. Although I know I could get in sans vax I'm not willing to take the risk of not being able to be present amd help her because I didn't vaccinate. I am seriously ill from that dam vax. Every single cell in my body aches I have a huge headache and lower back pain. Shocking (NOT) it feels VERY similar to my original covid sickness! Which is why those who recover from covid should NO WAY be pushed to take that horrible vax. Take 2 on covid hell trip.
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amother
Jetblack


 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 3:06 pm
LovesHashem wrote:
You wouldn’t go even if your organs were shutting down? You’d rather die than get medical help? I know someone who died that way recently. A young father in his 20’s. Refused medical help until his major organs were shutting down. He left a wife and a baby behind.


I would not refuse medical help. I very specifically would not go to a hospital for covid treatment. I believe they are killing patients. (Some would say with intention. I'm not ready to go there).

I had covid. I did get medical help from my doctor. B"H though it was a very rough few weeks, with the meds I was prescribed by my doctor (you know, the dangerous horse pills, etc.) I recovered well and was never in serious danger despite some pre-existing conditions.

So sorry to hear about that young father. Such a tragedy. I tend to believe the majority of deaths are preventable - but not through vaccination, not through mask-wearing, not through remdesivir and not through ventilators.
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southernbubby




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 3:36 pm
amother [ Impatiens ] wrote:
I just bought a small sample of people protesting, striking or losing their jobs but there are thousands more out there openly opposing these mandates (suing, losing their jobs, protesting, etc). But just to be clear, the amount of people who are opposing these mandates is not sufficient enough for you to prove that majority of people are against it? Then how do you take a study that only included 1,519 people (or less than 1% of americans) and claim that majority of Americans want the mandates based on this small number of people interviewed? Why do 1,519 represent the majority of Americans but the thousands of people (in fact more than 1,519) protesting, suing, striking and/or losing their jobs (yes, including myself in case since you insist on making this personal) not represent the majority of Americans? Why the double standards?


I think that many people are simply not that passionate about it to do anything about it. They simply can't be bothered, especially if they are vaccinated, even if they would have liked to avoid it.
As far as making it personal, even though I believe that I know who you are, you are posting anonymously.
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southernbubby




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 3:42 pm
Ema of 4 wrote:
Too many people in this country are living paycheck to paycheck and don’t have the option of protesting, thereby losing their job and income. And don’t forget, many who would quit or allow themselves to be fired won’t be eligible for unemployment, that is to our wonderful leadership.
Personally, I HAVE contacted my elected officials. I have even contacted officials where my children go to school, even though I don’t live there. I can’t go to or organize protests, I don’t have time time for it.
I WISH I lived in a red state….your red state, in fact 😂


At least you are doing something about it but most people are griping on social media but not making their views heard where it counts.
If people were forced to take it to keep their jobs, the can still protest. It just has to matter enough to them.
As it is, if they anti mandate crowd is the majority, most of the time I am unaware of them. Of course, there are not too many mandates here unless they are federal.
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amother
Calendula


 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 4:03 pm
Many many people especially now do not want to do anything to risk losing their jobs - gas is $4.00 food prices are soaring many small businesses are closing Sad
I would be very sensitive to people’s financial situations.
I don’t blame the victims
In Australia police came knocking on a guys door six months after he was photographed attending a protest against the govt restrictions to arrest him!!!
Crazy times
You are right that we all have to speak up
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southernbubby




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 4:44 pm
amother [ Calendula ] wrote:
Many many people especially now do not want to do anything to risk losing their jobs - gas is $4.00 food prices are soaring many small businesses are closing Sad
I would be very sensitive to people’s financial situations.
I don’t blame the victims
In Australia police came knocking on a guys door six months after he was photographed attending a protest against the govt restrictions to arrest him!!!
Crazy times
You are right that we all have to speak up


But more people will speak up if the inflammatory rhetoric and digging up science that doesn't sound like science dies down. At this point, it's very polarized.
Australia is now acting like a Communist country if they are suppressing the right to peaceful protests.
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amother
Copper


 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 5:13 pm
I am also so glad to see this post. Though, it's very scary to think about how much worse it could get. I've realized that people who I thought were my friends, really aren't because I've written a lot about how this is not about public health and not about truly "following the science" as the supporters of the narrative are constantly saying. I keep praying that the truth will come out! For now- stay strong, trust in Hashem, and do what we can to build our own immunity! https://amgreatness.com/2021/1.....emic/
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amother
Caramel


 

Post Mon, Oct 11 2021, 5:52 pm
southernbubby wrote:
But more people will speak up if the inflammatory rhetoric and digging up science that doesn't sound like science dies down. At this point, it's very polarized.
Australia is now acting like a Communist country if they are suppressing the right to peaceful protests.


They aren’t just suppressing the right to peaceful protest. They are VIOLENTLY suppressing it. This page (scroll to bottom of page) shows videos of police brutality. Particularly gruesome is how they shove to the ground a 74-year old woman who is simply walking along. Her head smashes to the ground after which she is sprayed with pepper spray.

https://tottnews.com/2021/09/1.....tory/

For people who have been saying the words totalitarianism and tyranny are major exaggerations in describing the actions of this country, if these videos arent a wake up call, I don’t else would be.
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southernbubby




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Oct 12 2021, 4:35 am
amother [ Caramel ] wrote:
They aren’t just suppressing the right to peaceful protest. They are VIOLENTLY suppressing it. This page (scroll to bottom of page) shows videos of police brutality. Particularly gruesome is how they shove to the ground a 74-year old woman who is simply walking along. Her head smashes to the ground after which she is sprayed with pepper spray.

https://tottnews.com/2021/09/1.....tory/

For people who have been saying the words totalitarianism and tyranny are major exaggerations in describing the actions of this country, if these videos arent a wake up call, I don’t else would be.


Unless the people can form a large militia, they are probably stuck because no other country will see a reason to get involved.
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amother
Calendula


 

Post Tue, Oct 12 2021, 4:50 am
Many people are also voting with their feet.

Abbott made mandatory vaccinations illegal in Texas.

Many people who could travelled out of Australia.

Challenging times.
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