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amother
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Post Thu, Nov 04 2021, 2:34 pm
Does anyone have a recipe for lower carb challah? You need a kazayit of challah at each meal, and I was wondering the best way to do this to getting the least carbs while balancing the following facts...

1. Ketzayit is measure by volume not weight, so the fluffier the challah, the less actual challah you'll need to make the ketzayit (the rest would be air)

2. White flour makes fluffier challah, but will give you a worse sugar spike than whole-wheat

3. Whole-wheat flour will make a denser challah so each ketzayit would hung you more carbs

4. A challah which is very "eggy" should increase the protein, but how much flour do you need for it to stay "hamotize"?

5. I know a lot of people on keto eat matzo because they say it's easier to not keep eating it if you start, but I would have thought there were a lot more carbs in a ketzayit of matzo than a ketzayit of challah because of being measured by volume. And besides, I don't want so waste precious carbs on matzo

Has anyone thought about this, or created a recipe?

I need to lose weight for health reasons.
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Chana Miriam S




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Nov 04 2021, 3:09 pm
We tried making it with gluten. We tracked down all the data from the COR and sorted out what we needed to do to make it all halachic. It was gross though. I’ll see what we did with the recipe if I can.
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Chana Miriam S




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Nov 04 2021, 3:10 pm
Also, I have a heter not to wash because my life depends on it.
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fiji




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Nov 04 2021, 3:15 pm
Rorie makes a low carb dough mix that you can wash on. Her recipe includes honey which I mostly cut out (put a drop so the yeast would proof) and add monk fruit/erythritol instead.
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amother
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Post Thu, Nov 04 2021, 3:32 pm
andrea levy wrote:
We tried making it with gluten. We tracked down all the data from the COR and sorted out what we needed to do to make it all halachic. It was gross though. I’ll see what we did with the recipe if I can.


I would be very curious if you could give the recipe and explain more.
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amother
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Post Thu, Nov 04 2021, 3:37 pm
andrea levy wrote:
Also, I have a heter not to wash because my life depends on it.


How "bad" do things need to be for a heter like that?
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amother
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Post Thu, Nov 04 2021, 3:38 pm
fiji wrote:
Rorie makes a low carb dough mix that you can wash on. Her recipe includes honey which I mostly cut out (put a drop so the yeast would proof) and add monk fruit/erythritol instead.


I can't get that where I am, and besides I would rather make something from scratch so I know what is in it... Are you able to tell me the ingredients in the packet?
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thunderstorm




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Nov 04 2021, 5:10 pm
I wash and eat a 3 net carb whole wheat wrap by Mission brand or I eat 1/4 of a whole wheat matzah which is 5 net carbs

https://www.target.com/p/missi.....aw.ds
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Chana Miriam S




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Nov 04 2021, 8:36 pm
[quote="amother [ OP ]"]How "bad" do things need to be for a heter like that?[/

I’m not sure. I went prepared to e plain why I was looking for the heter and because I am very consistent ( like I don’t cheat, ever on carby food) it was a non issue. It’s not like I was asking not to wash and then eating potato chips or cheese cake.
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scruffy




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Nov 05 2021, 5:02 am
thunderstorm wrote:
I wash and eat a 3 net carb whole wheat wrap by Mission brand or I eat 1/4 of a whole wheat matzah which is 5 net carbs

https://www.target.com/p/missi.....aw.ds


Just noting that people should ask their LOR about wraps. Mine holds that they are always mezonos.
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fiji




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Nov 05 2021, 5:22 am
amother [ OP ] wrote:
I can't get that where I am, and besides I would rather make something from scratch so I know what is in it... Are you able to tell me the ingredients in the packet?


here is her website with all the info. it says there you can get it on amazon.
https://fullnfree.com/low-carb-oat-mix/
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Chana Miriam S




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Nov 05 2021, 6:42 am
I’m sorry, op. I have no idea where I put the recipe. I remember it wasn’t very good… I think there was some spelt flour in it too. It was really so profoundly not worth it, I abandoned the project.
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amother
Dahlia


 

Post Fri, Nov 05 2021, 6:49 am
thunderstorm wrote:
I wash and eat a 3 net carb whole wheat wrap by Mission brand or I eat 1/4 of a whole wheat matzah which is 5 net carbs

https://www.target.com/p/missi.....aw.ds
check with your lor, but in order to wash say all netilas yadayim and bench, you need 3/4 of a matzah. I looked at a kzayis book.
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amother
Rose


 

Post Fri, Nov 05 2021, 2:58 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
Does anyone have a recipe for lower carb challah? You need a kazayit of challah at each meal, and I was wondering the best way to do this to getting the least carbs while balancing the following facts...

1. Ketzayit is measure by volume not weight, so the fluffier the challah, the less actual challah you'll need to make the ketzayit (the rest would be air)

2. White flour makes fluffier challah, but will give you a worse sugar spike than whole-wheat

3. Whole-wheat flour will make a denser challah so each ketzayit would hung you more carbs

4. A challah which is very "eggy" should increase the protein, but how much flour do you need for it to stay "hamotize"?

5. I know a lot of people on keto eat matzo because they say it's easier to not keep eating it if you start, but I would have thought there were a lot more carbs in a ketzayit of matzo than a ketzayit of challah because of being measured by volume. And besides, I don't want so waste precious carbs on matzo

Has anyone thought about this, or created a recipe?

I need to lose weight for health reasons.


If it’s for health reasons then I would ask a Rav that is expert in metabolic disorders to give you a heter. These things can go South pretty quickly if you don’t take care of your health.
I know ppl that have a heter.
They wash with no bracha, and they say bircat Hamazon WITHOUT saying Hashem’s name.
I myself do not wash or say bircat hamazon but I say amen to DHs berachot bircat hamazon

BTW- If you are only doing it for weight loss understand that you have insulin resistance and can turn into a diabetic very quickly. The weight is only a symptom to bigger things going on in your body.
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amother
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Post Sun, Nov 07 2021, 7:24 am
Thanks everyone for the replies. I was googling about this all motz"sh. It's interesting what comes into your (internet) feed when you do this for a few hours.

I think the wraps would be mezzonos by us. And I think I would need to eat nearly a whole matzo for it to be a ketzayit.

But here is the most interesting thing. I'm wondering if eating a carbs over Shabbas might be actually something that is helping my weight loss so far. I agree that the metabolic disorder which has led to my obesity is dangerous and I need to work as hishtadlus so HaShem can cure it. I was starting to think that if I truly truly believed that HaShem is the only One who causes and will cure the illness, then I would just eat my challah on Shabbas, exactly a kezayis and no more, slowly, and as a mitzvah... A pure mitzvah, realizing that it doesn't necessarily have to be a problem for weight loss. I would also taste, in extremely small quantities, all of the other carby food, but without being a "pig" about it. And show my complete trust that it is He who heals.

But then, I was watching a lot of Jason Fung's material (I'm also experimenting with intermittent fasting), and I discovered, that scientifically this might be a good idea anyway. That it is important to keep the body guessing what it is going to be fed next, so that it does not fall into homeostasis.

Add to this that no one has been able to post here an actual recipe, and that Andrea Levy says whatever she tried to make tasted awful (and she is a professional chef!!), means that I am abandoning the whole idea for now. I'll just stick with my "Eat carbs on Shabbas but in a controlled sensible way". It's working at the moment anyway.

Thank you to everyone who took the time to reply.
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amother
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Post Sun, Nov 07 2021, 9:55 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
Thanks everyone for the replies. I was googling about this all motz"sh. It's interesting what comes into your (internet) feed when you do this for a few hours.

I think the wraps would be mezzonos by us. And I think I would need to eat nearly a whole matzo for it to be a ketzayit.

But here is the most interesting thing. I'm wondering if eating a carbs over Shabbas might be actually something that is helping my weight loss so far. I agree that the metabolic disorder which has led to my obesity is dangerous and I need to work as hishtadlus so HaShem can cure it. I was starting to think that if I truly truly believed that HaShem is the only One who causes and will cure the illness, then I would just eat my challah on Shabbas, exactly a kezayis and no more, slowly, and as a mitzvah... A pure mitzvah, realizing that it doesn't necessarily have to be a problem for weight loss. I would also taste, in extremely small quantities, all of the other carby food, but without being a "pig" about it. And show my complete trust that it is He who heals.

But then, I was watching a lot of Jason Fung's material (I'm also experimenting with intermittent fasting), and I discovered, that scientifically this might be a good idea anyway. That it is important to keep the body guessing what it is going to be fed next, so that it does not fall into homeostasis.

Add to this that no one has been able to post here an actual recipe, and that Andrea Levy says whatever she tried to make tasted awful (and she is a professional chef!!), means that I am abandoning the whole idea for now. I'll just stick with my "Eat carbs on Shabbas but in a controlled sensible way". It's working at the moment anyway.

Thank you to everyone who took the time to reply.


Dh doing keto and eats challah on Shabbos.
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amother
Bottlebrush


 

Post Sun, Nov 07 2021, 10:01 pm
amother [ Forsythia ] wrote:
Dh doing keto and eats challah on Shabbos.

When I ate challah during keto it knocked me out of ketosis every single time!
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amother
Forsythia


 

Post Sun, Nov 07 2021, 10:14 pm
amother [ Bottlebrush ] wrote:
When I ate challah during keto it knocked me out of ketosis every single time!


He’s losing consistently . Doing it more than half a year. He doesn’t eat a ton of challah but he does wash on it. I don’t know exactly what he eats but he is losing.
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Chana Miriam S




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Nov 07 2021, 10:29 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
Thanks everyone for the replies. I was googling about this all motz"sh. It's interesting what comes into your (internet) feed when you do this for a few hours.

I think the wraps would be mezzonos by us. And I think I would need to eat nearly a whole matzo for it to be a ketzayit.

But here is the most interesting thing. I'm wondering if eating a carbs over Shabbas might be actually something that is helping my weight loss so far. I agree that the metabolic disorder which has led to my obesity is dangerous and I need to work as hishtadlus so HaShem can cure it. I was starting to think that if I truly truly believed that HaShem is the only One who causes and will cure the illness, then I would just eat my challah on Shabbas, exactly a kezayis and no more, slowly, and as a mitzvah... A pure mitzvah, realizing that it doesn't necessarily have to be a problem for weight loss. I would also taste, in extremely small quantities, all of the other carby food, but without being a "pig" about it. And show my complete trust that it is He who heals.

But then, I was watching a lot of Jason Fung's material (I'm also experimenting with intermittent fasting), and I discovered, that scientifically this might be a good idea anyway. That it is important to keep the body guessing what it is going to be fed next, so that it does not fall into homeostasis.

Add to this that no one has been able to post here an actual recipe, and that Andrea Levy says whatever she tried to make tasted awful (and she is a professional chef!!), means that I am abandoning the whole idea for now. I'll just stick with my "Eat carbs on Shabbas but in a controlled sensible way". It's working at the moment anyway.

Thank you to everyone who took the time to reply.


I just want to say that what you are talking about is NOT what he means by keeping your body guessing.

First, he has no idea of eating disorder or compulsive eating. We had that discussion PERSONALLY because he is my doctor in real life. He wanted me to do regular 36 hour fasts. I’ve tried them. They destabilize me. I understand why and I explained to him. Only you can really decide what works or doesn’t for you.

What HE means is this:

When a person goes low calorie, the body will adapt over time ( you’ve heard me refer to these as the adaptations of weightloss.

They include your metabolism slowing and ironica Your body becoming more efficient and this using fewer calories to accomplish them. Two sides of the same coin.

What he suggests is NOT that you treat yourself once a week and trust gd. I mean, hashem made our bodies and hashem made us subject to the effects of poor nutrition. If you’re really faithful then you know that gd created the insulin response to carby and processed foods and also that because of homeostasis this response gets worse the more you do it.

Jason Fung is definitely advocating for keeping your body guessing but what that means is changing things up according to caloric intake and food Timing daily. He’s dating dont just eat x amount a day. You have lighter and heavier calorie days. You fast and you FEAST. You have days with three meals and days with two or one or none. But when you eat, you EAT.

Also, he is a STRONG advocate of eating real and nutrition dense food. But he’s a nephrologist not an eating disorder specialist. You have to sort your eating out yourself.

Don’t kid yourself. The thousands of people who’ve healed themselves through his care are not pretending that a little bit won’t hurt them at least once a week and then going off into the wide blue yonder. Something tells me if you got this far in IF,, your problem wasn’t a simple one.

People who follow him and succeed do what I do.

Eat real food
Eat nutrition dense food
Change up eating patterns
And if you really can’t handle eating something, then don’t eat it.

It has nothing to do with a lack of faith by you. It has to do with how gd made the human body. Gd also gave us the answer tho do use it!
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Chana Miriam S




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Nov 07 2021, 10:34 pm
amother [ Bottlebrush ] wrote:
When I ate challah during keto it knocked me out of ketosis every single time!


Lots of perfect keto food knocks me out if ketosis. Stop checking if you’re in ketosis. It’s not being in ketosis that makes you lose weight. It’s just an alternative fuel source for your body that has some interesting effects on appetite and a few other things.
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