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amother
Firethorn


 

Post Sun, Nov 28 2021, 9:15 pm
amother [ Calendula ] wrote:
This is my first time posting on this thread, but actually both are occurring at the same time. People are being urged to vaccinate now because "you never know, it might even help you against the new variant" despite no evidence that it will.


Yup. Biden said the time to vaccinate is now. How that makes any sense is beyond me as they have no idea if the vaccine even works on the new strain.

Also pretty convenient that a new strain that is "super catchy and dangerous for children" came out just now, when they are trying to encourage parents to vaccinate their kids.
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PinkFridge




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Nov 28 2021, 9:17 pm
vintagebknyc wrote:
Why isn't Fauci limiting travel? Dr. Anthony Fauci is an infectious disease specialist and immunologist. He is the Chief Medical Advisor to the President. During Covid, he has never, NOT ONCE, made a policy. Making policy is NOT HIS JOB.


You know who we don't hear from? The surgeon general.
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Sewsew_mom




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Nov 28 2021, 9:26 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
I never understood this type of response. Why would understanding that hashem runs the world negate concern about a new variant?

Hashem ran the world in 2020 and nebach many holy jews died. Would it have made sense for them (and their families) to say that since hashem runs the world they are not worried? I think we can all agree that hashem runs the world and also agree that he gives us things to worry about.

🤔🤔🤔 What?
You think hashem conducts things in this world specifically to worry us?
You absolutely should not worry. Hashem wants you to believe he does everything for good and to realize he is there.
People are not meant to live forever. People die. Diseases kill, cars kill, planes kill. The malach hamaaves kills. That's who really kills. You aren't supposed to worry.
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amother
Daphne


 

Post Sun, Nov 28 2021, 11:52 pm
amother [ Firethorn ] wrote:
Yup. Biden said the time to vaccinate is now. How that makes any sense is beyond me as they have no idea if the vaccine even works on the new strain.

Also pretty convenient that a new strain that is "super catchy and dangerous for children" came out just now, when they are trying to encourage parents to vaccinate their kids.


Biden also said to vaccinate in order to prepare for hurricanes
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amother
Seablue


 

Post Mon, Nov 29 2021, 10:53 am
I’m trying to understand this. Right now they are saying the symptoms are mild. And it spreads fast.
Isn’t that a bracha. Let everyone catch the mild form quickly. Would give better immunity to world more ppl that catch. And this way catch the mild version.
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amother
Garnet


 

Post Mon, Nov 29 2021, 11:09 am
amother [ Seablue ] wrote:
I’m trying to understand this. Right now they are saying the symptoms are mild. And it spreads fast.
Isn’t that a bracha. Let everyone catch the mild form quickly. Would give better immunity to world more ppl that catch. And this way catch the mild version.


Oh, no no no!

You make too much sense.

Everyone knows- natural immunity bad!
The more boosters the better. Pfizer needs to make a living, you know.
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JoyInTheMorning




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Nov 29 2021, 11:23 am
Elfrida wrote:
No. The thought of mathematics that complicated makes my brain want to leak out of my ears.


The Wikipedia article is fairly straightforward: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_number

Here's the intro to that article:
Quote:

leph numbers are a sequence of numbers used to represent the cardinality (or size) of infinite sets that can be well-ordered. They were introduced by the mathematician Georg Cantor[1] and are named after the symbol he used to denote them, the Hebrew letter aleph ( ℵ {\displaystyle \,\aleph \,} {\displaystyle \,\aleph \,}).[2][a]

The cardinality of the natural numbers is ℵ 0 {\displaystyle \,\aleph _{0}\,} {\displaystyle \,\aleph _{0}\,} (read aleph-nought or aleph-zero; the term aleph-null is also sometimes used), the next larger cardinality of a well-orderable set is aleph-one ℵ 1 , {\displaystyle \,\aleph _{1}\;,} {\displaystyle \,\aleph _{1}\;,} then ℵ 2 {\displaystyle \,\aleph _{2}\,} {\displaystyle \,\aleph _{2}\,} and so on. Continuing in this manner, it is possible to define a cardinal number ℵ α {\displaystyle \,\aleph _{\alpha }\,} {\displaystyle \,\aleph _{\alpha }\,} for every ordinal number α , {\displaystyle \,\alpha \;,} {\displaystyle \,\alpha \;,} as described below.

The concept and notation are due to Georg Cantor,[5] who defined the notion of cardinality and realized that infinite sets can have different cardinalities.

The aleph numbers differ from the infinity ( ∞ {\displaystyle \,\infty \,} {\displaystyle \,\infty \,}) commonly found in algebra and calculus, in that the alephs measure the sizes of sets, while infinity is commonly defined either as an extreme limit of the real number line (applied to a function or sequence that "diverges to infinity" or "increases without bound"), or as an extreme point of the extended real number line.


But note that Aleph is just subscripted with regular (Arabic) numbers. We could do that with Greek letters too. Maybe we'll do that when we get up to omega (the last Greek letter).

Otherwise, regarding vaccination: Even though vaccines don't fully protect against delta, they reduce the risk of getting hospitalized by some 80% and the risk of dying by more than 90%. If those numbers hold up for omicron, of course it is worth getting vaccinated and boosted. In addition, Pfizer and Moderna are now working on developing boosters to protect against these variants.

Why these straightforward facts are beyond the comprehension of so many amothers is puzzling.
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amother
Cerulean


 

Post Mon, Nov 29 2021, 11:37 am
My family members in the medical field are reporting that those who never had Covid or the few cases of having Covid a second time are getting mild symptoms. Meanwhile, those who were vaccinated (including those vaccinated after a prior infection) are getting more severe symptoms.

Based on this information it doesn't seem like the vaccine is working.
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Mollie




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Nov 29 2021, 11:41 am
amother [ Cerulean ] wrote:
My family members in the medical field are reporting that those who never had Covid or the few cases of having Covid a second time are getting mild symptoms. Meanwhile, those who were vaccinated (including those vaccinated after a prior infection) are getting more severe symptoms.

Based on this information it doesn't seem like the vaccine is working.


Let me guess, you aren’t vaccinated.
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amother
Charcoal


 

Post Mon, Nov 29 2021, 11:42 am
I would think the fact that natural immunity works well would be considered a brocha by everyone vaxed or not.
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amother
Daphne


 

Post Mon, Nov 29 2021, 11:43 am
Mollie wrote:
Let me guess, you aren’t vaccinated.


Does it matter if someone is vaccinated or not my friends who aren’t vaccinated didnt get Covid again and recovered great from the first one but my friends that had Covid and vaccinated got Covid again and had reactions to the vaccine. And due to all the bull why would anyone think of taking the vaccine
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Mollie




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Nov 29 2021, 12:18 pm
amother [ Daphne ] wrote:
Does it matter if someone is vaccinated or not my friends who aren’t vaccinated didnt get Covid again and recovered great from the first one but my friends that had Covid and vaccinated got Covid again and had reactions to the vaccine. And due to all the bull why would anyone think of taking the vaccine


And I got the vaccine, had no side effects and I was exposed to Covid and didn’t get it. Probably the same story with millions of people. What’s your point? If you want to pick and choose people who fit your argument then go ahead.
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amother
Offwhite


 

Post Mon, Nov 29 2021, 12:34 pm
amother [ Seablue ] wrote:
I’m trying to understand this. Right now they are saying the symptoms are mild. And it spreads fast.
Isn’t that a bracha. Let everyone catch the mild form quickly. Would give better immunity to world more ppl that catch. And this way catch the mild version.


This! I am super careful, masking everyone, we're all vaccinated, including kids...but shouldn't we just let a mild strain run its course and infect as many people as possible? Then we would have herd immunity and this Pandemic could be over, right?
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SixOfWands




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Nov 29 2021, 1:36 pm
Elfrida wrote:
They've just banned non-Israelis from entering the country. Again.

And events with more than 50 attendees are now subject to tav yarok requirements.

But they're keeping the economy open.

ETA They've only closed the borders for two weeks. Then they'll reassess. Of course, they could decide to extend it, but they haven't announced an open ended closure.


It caused havoc in US airports because Israel wasn't clear about exactly when the ban went into effect.

I guess that's why you need clarity. And strong testing protocols for people entering the country.
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SixOfWands




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Nov 29 2021, 1:49 pm
amother [ Charcoal ] wrote:
I would think the fact that natural immunity works well would be considered a brocha by everyone vaxed or not.


For the same reason that there is concern that vaccines will be less effective against omicron, there is concern that natural immunity will also be less effective.

The variant is too new for anyone to know.

Its also too new to know if treatments like monoclonal antibodies will work.

I've had covid. I'm vaccinated with Pfizer, and boosted with Moderna. I still mask indoors, and try to keep my distance when I can.

The fewer people who GET covid, the slower these mutations will occur, and the better we will be able to handle them. Because even if we handle omicron, who knows what pi, rho, sigma and thau will have in store for us.
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amother
Cerise


 

Post Mon, Nov 29 2021, 1:54 pm
amother [ Daphne ] wrote:
Does it matter if someone is vaccinated or not my friends who aren’t vaccinated didnt get Covid again and recovered great from the first one but my friends that had Covid and vaccinated got Covid again and had reactions to the vaccine. And due to all the bull why would anyone think of taking the vaccine


I'm so glad your friends are fine. But 777,000 people in the US died of covid; their friends and family aren't as lucky as you.

As to side effect, sure, there are many. Some are serious. Most aren't. I slept 30 hours straight after my booster. Side effect? Undoubtedly. Annoying? Sure. Anything to really complain about? No.
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amother
Wheat


 

Post Mon, Nov 29 2021, 1:54 pm
amother [ Charcoal ] wrote:
I would think the fact that natural immunity works well would be considered a brocha by everyone vaxed or not.

Sure, except covid gets into your nervous system and it doesn't leave even after you recovered.

So just like you could die from SSPE from measles 10 years after you had measles, you could have the same with covid. It hasn't been around long enough for us to know how common an occurrence this is, but we know it's possible because we know covid gets into the nervous system, crosses the blood-brain barrier, and we know that viruses that do that, don't leave. Like that's why after you recovered from chickenpox you might still get shingles. Because it doesn't fully leave your system ever.

Sooo natural immunity is great but at this point avoiding infection is of primary importance...at least to some of us.
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amother
Camellia


 

Post Mon, Nov 29 2021, 2:04 pm
amother [ Cerise ] wrote:
I'm so glad your friends are fine. But 777,000 people in the US died of covid; their friends and family aren't as lucky as you.

As to side effect, sure, there are many. Some are serious. Most aren't. I slept 30 hours straight after my booster. Side effect? Undoubtedly. Annoying? Sure. Anything to really complain about? No.


I'm a month after my booster and still suffering painful arthritis flare ups. Ironically enough I am on hydroxychloroquine for it's actual intended purpose. That being said...I have zero regrets.that I am triple vaxxed.
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