Why are there so many special needs kids?

number

Tue, Jan 11 2022, 7:36 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

Per Psychology Today the autism rate in the 1970s was 1:10,000

At that time the Autism Definition was NON VERBAL or very little speech.

Today NON-VERBAL Autism is 1:150.

Explain how NON-Verbal Autism went from 1:10,000 (1970) - 1:150.

It HAS to be something in the environment - like vaccines.

And I am comparing Apples to Apples - just NON-VERBAL Autism - not the expanded definition.

It is NOT a "coincidence" that after CDC QUAUDRUPLED (4x) the number of vaccines in 1990 that Autism and many other Chronic illnesses skyrocketed (including allergies, diabetes, epilepsy).

Kids in the 1970s were diagnosed with childhood psychosis and schizophrenia. I guess vaccines cured those ailments Wink

amother

Dodgerblue

Tue, Jan 11 2022, 7:42 pm

amother [ Clematis ] wrote:

brand new papers linking asd to maternal immune activation, inflammation and gut issues. This is where the science is at.
https://www.nature.com/article.....415-4
https://www.eurekalert.org/new.....39375
https://www.cell.com/immunity/.....-7613(21)00496-9

Any of these peer reviewed journal articles? Because anyone can post anything onto the internet.

amother

Clematis

Tue, Jan 11 2022, 7:46 pm

amother [ Dodgerblue ] wrote:

Any of these peer reviewed journal articles? Because anyone can post anything onto the internet.

If you’d have opened the links you’d have seen. 2 of them are, the third is an explanation on one of them. This is actual scientific research. And not the first of its kind either, just the newest developments.
I see the third link isn’t working. I tried fixing but still broken. Here is an explanation of the second paper, with a link to the actual paper https://news.harvard.edu/gazet.....dels/

#BestBubby

Tue, Jan 11 2022, 8:38 pm

number wrote:

Kids in the 1970s were diagnosed with childhood psychosis and schizophrenia. I guess vaccines cured those ailments Wink

Plenty kids today diagnosed with mental illness - way more than in the 1970s.

The mental illness "de jeur" may be called "bi-polar" instead of "schizophrenia" but
very high rate of mental illness in children.

naturalmom5

Tue, Jan 11 2022, 8:50 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I have a genuine question: why does it seem like there are so many frum kids with "special needs" for school?

I'm a BT and went to public school, and I dont remember there being anything as far as special needs -- other than kids with really severe developmental disabilities. we don't have school-age kids yet, but many frum kids in our community that seem reasonably intelligent for their age seem to have "special needs."

I'm genuinely curious what's going on. is stuff being diagnosed more than it was when I was a kid? are frum parents expecting more individualized treatment for their kids than public school parents because they're paying $15k/yr for tuition? are jewish parents more concerned with this stuff and paying more attention whereas non-jewish parents don't treat their kids with the same special snow flake mentality what we yids do? really not trying to offend anyone, but just curious why it seems like there's so much special needs among frum kids...

We pay enormous property taxes and dont use the PS and often dont get bussing
We are entitled to receive something gor our tax dollars
Im not even gojng to discuss the horrendous formula inequity

amother

DarkRed

Tue, Jan 11 2022, 8:59 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

It's really unusual for a kid to get a diagnosis like that actually. I had a few students in public school who were "emotionally disturbed" and under psychological care but did not have a mental illness diagnosis. Evaluations at most suggested possible OCD or ADHD or ASD but clearly that was just the tip of the ice berg. One had a very experienced one on one assistant who told me that based on her experience "Cathy" would in all likelihood end up with a diagnosis of bipolar when she was older teenager, because even though she displayed strong symptoms doctors rarely will give that sort of diagnosis to a younger child.

amother

Papayawhip

Tue, Jan 11 2022, 9:02 pm

You know what's changed dramatically in the last fifty years? Smoking rates have plummeted. Maybe all that second-hand cigarette smoke prevented autism. Also, toxic pollutants in the air have dropped. Maybe that's the problem. Or maybe the rise in obesity is to blame. Or the wider availability of kale. Because, you know, no one ate kale in the 1970s and autism rates were much lower then.

Seriously, no one's ever proven a link between autism and vaccines. People jump on it because it gives them some sense of control.

amother

Sunflower

Tue, Jan 11 2022, 9:03 pm

naturalmom5 wrote:

We pay enormous property taxes and dont use the PS and often dont get bussing
We are entitled to receive something gor our tax dollars
Im not even gojng to discuss the horrendous formula inequity

We have the same choice as all other taxpayers - public school or private schools. If we choose not to utilize a free option provided to us, we don't get to make demands on that money. If someone is eligible for food stamps, but chooses not to apply for it, can they demand that money be sent to them via a different route?

If we don't agree of the setup, then vote for people who will change the setup. But we aren't entitled to made demands when we refuse the free options offered to us.

#BestBubby

Tue, Jan 11 2022, 9:07 pm

amother [ Papayawhip ] wrote:

Autism is written on the Vaccine Inserts.

Also "encepholapathy" or "brain inflammation" which can lead to autism.

Vaccine Court paid out $4 Billion in damages including for "encepholapathy".

Thousands of parents said their child was 100% normal, meeting all developmental milestones
until a vaccine that caused high fever, seizures and then child regressed into autism.

How many parents make that claim after eating Kale?

Oh, that's right - ZERO.

And is there an Insert on Kale that it may cause Autism and Encepholopathy?

Is there a "Kale Court" that paid out Billions $$$ in Damages???

amother

NeonOrange

Wed, Jan 12 2022, 4:47 am

Just curious, for those writing that autism is caused by vaccines- are you even in the autism field????
As someone who is in the autism field, I get asked this question every day and NO! autism does not occur due to vaccines! That is a naive foolish thing to say based on a long ago myth.

Additionally, it is so easy these days to get a diagnosis of ASD for a child. Many schools want to receive part of government funding so they will send parents to a specific doctor that they know won’t think twice before writing a diagnosis EVEN THOUGH the child is not autistic! I’ve seen this happen hundreds of times throughout my career.

amother

Calendula

Wed, Jan 12 2022, 5:16 am

amother [ NeonOrange ] wrote:

Hmmm. Maybe I am a parent who watched my child regress post vaccines. I think I know a bit more on the topic than some random person on imamother who works in autism or aba because its the thing to do. Its super disrespectful for people who have no firsthand experiece watching their child regress tell others with conviction they know it certainly is not related. Sorry your degree and your few courses you took do not make you more of an expert on this than a parent who watched it happen and pored over countless studies And consulted wity many specialists who admitted there may very well be a link. By the way, why do you think there is such a demand for autism related services these days? Because there is an autism epidemic. The government made insurances pay for aba services. Not because of "better diagnosing." I personally could not get a diagnosis right away for my own child. Not every child gets a diagnosis for any random thing. You simply do not have the knowledge or firsthand experience to declare with conviction "NO" it is NOT caused by vaccines. The truth is there are many factors and vaccines can certainly be one of them for many kids.

amother

Seashell

Wed, Jan 12 2022, 5:53 am

If there's anything the last two years have taught me, it's that science (and the corresponding laws and mandates) trail behind reality. It's very hard to get out of a position one placed themselves into even when it's obvious that it's useless to stay there. (masks, covid vax, lockdown)

Especially with something like childhood vaccines where there actually is some value to these vaccines, people have a hard time assimilating the information that goes against everything they knew. It's information that those who've experienced firsthand know it but are called conspiracy theorists, and as scientific data keeps emerging, they are being proven right. But mainstream doctors, politicians, and random people will have a hard time accepting that narrative.

So amother Calendula and anyone else, I see you. It's frustrating not to be believed. Iyh one day you'll still be validated for the "nonsense" you're spouting.

amother

Pistachio

Wed, Jan 12 2022, 5:54 am

As a person on the spectrum it's OFFENSIVE when you claim that vaccines caused this. I'm over 40, so I got way less vaccines than kids today. What I didn't get until I was in my late 20s is a diagnosis. I was just "weird", "quirky" and "socially awkward". My sensory issues were written off and I was told to "stop being a baby". Speaking of babies, I was BORN this way. Actually before I was born. It's family lore how I would FREAK OUT from loud noises even in utero.

My mother trained me in eye contact so I shouldn't look "weird", along with a few of my siblings. My father is "quirky" too.
I married the most neurotypical man in the world (not knowing my diagnosis yet but knowing I needed someone to help me navigate social niceties) None of my kids are on the spectrum but most exhibit some traits (one has a bunch of sensory issues but has so much natural empathy and people skills that I'm just in awe) They know my diagnosis and will be looking out for it in their kids. And there is so much help available today. Kids today don't need to just figure it out themselves like I did. I made it my "special interest" to figure out people but it was slow going

amother

Calendula

Wed, Jan 12 2022, 6:02 am

amother [ Seashell ] wrote:

I absolutely agree with this. It is so suprising to me that people can see what is going on nowadays with covid vaccines and mandates etc and how the covid vaccine is being pushed on everyone whether or not it makes sense for them individually by powerful people and not connect the dots between childhood vaccines also not being exactly what they are. Perhaps there are side effects too? Perhaps your dr does not know everything amd trusts the "studies" put out by the vaccine companies themselves etc.