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Do you have one sink?
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Raisin
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 4:38 pm
bh we have 2 sinks and 2 dishwashers. Kitchen was put in new when we moved in. Best thing ever. Although of course it takes away counter and storage space but still worth it. Otherwise my house is not that luxurious, I have no ensuite for example and we basically have one usable shower. (imagine 7 adults and 2 kids with one shower...we do have 2 showers but since only one can be used at a time due to the way the water system is connected the second one is kind of useless)
But I lived in apartments with one sink and no dishwasher, and since we were renting no option to add another one. I guess it can be relatively cheap to add, or pretty expensive. If you are already putting in a kitchen it makes sense to put in two.
We eat milchigs for breakfast and lunch and often supper so it gets used more than the meat sink.
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simcha2
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 4:46 pm
I grew up (in the uk) with one sink. Since moving to the US I've been in 4 rentals (in 3 different states) - one of which had a double sink. This is our second house that we have owned, our first place had one sink. Our current place has 2 separate sinks.
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amother
Winterberry
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 4:47 pm
NotInNJMommy wrote: | most home buyers ... would probably find 2 sinks weird. |
IDK about that. Many home-improvement places carry triple sinks. With a double sink, people soak the dishes in soapy water on one side and rinse on the other, or wash on one side and drain dry on the other. Where we would use the third sink for pareve, non-kosher people use it for other functions such as handwashing, draining hot pots when the main sinks are full of dishes, rinsing residue off dishes before soaking them, and so on. Again from the Net: The 3-compartment sink setup is designed to work the same as a commercial dishwasher by cleaning and sanitizing dishes. ... As indicated in the name, the 3-compartment sink method requires three separate sink compartments, one for each step of the warewash procedure: wash, rinse, and sanitize IDK how many householders bother to sanitize their dishes, but they would if they were running a food-service business out of their home.
Of course if you're talking two full sinks on opposite sides of the kitchen, that may be unusual but hardly weird. In kitchens with two active cooks, it would make complete sense for each cook to have a separate sink to work at.
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amother
Crystal
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 4:49 pm
amother [ Sand ] wrote: | I rent.
Always had two sinks. |
Very location dependent.
If renting in Jewish building or house like lkwd or ny likely to get double sinks. Outside of tri state area and Jewish rentals single sinks in rentals are rare.
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amother
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 5:01 pm
I grew up with one sink in an older home, actually rather upscale, in the NYC metro area. Large, luxurious kitchens were not valued in an era when people had "help," and you may still find older homes with rather rudimentary kitchens, although I'm sure most have been remodeled by now. I rented a few places and eventually bought a house, each with one kitchen sink. I did put in a dual-basin sink when we renovated, even though I have a vegetarian household. We had space, and prospective buyers would expect it nowadays.
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octopus
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 5:06 pm
Having a double basin is not the same as two completely separate sinks!! It's still one sink with two basins!
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amother
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 5:21 pm
We have a double sink in our house that we bought around 15 years ago. It was built in the 1960s and definitely updated since then but the previous owners were not Jewish. We have not yet redone the kitchen, but eventually we would love to put in an island with a second sink and dishwasher. However, even the double sink seems like a huge step up from our original apartment with a tiny kitchen and only 1 sink.
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amother
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 5:26 pm
I have 2 sinks, but I know someone w ho had one sink. she had bought a house, it was newly renovated by the previous owners with 1 sink . people a) are not allowed to renovate a rental b) dont want to renovate a rental c) stretched thin when they buy. I dont think anyone who keeps kosher wouldn't put in a second sink if they install their own kitchen.
ridiculous not to trust her kashrut based on that, unless youve seen. her mix milk and dairy and she said anything to suggest that they're not separating milk and meat.
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Honeysuckle
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 6:00 pm
octopus wrote: | Having a double basin is not the same as two completely separate sinks!! It's still one sink with two basins! |
Yes, that's true. But two basins ("double sink") is much more common than two sinks, and even if you need to use dishpans or racks, much easier to keep things separate.
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amother
Lightcoral
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 6:10 pm
Only one sink, but will iy"h put in two when we redo our kitchen
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amother
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 6:31 pm
I can't help but wonder the financial reality of the OP and some others. A new sink is much more than the amount you cited! we would have to plan renovate the whole kitchen - and pay for permits, an architect assessment, town board approval, and more before even starting! We would have to expand our kitchen to put in another sink because have so little counter space. Making any changes, even adding 1 sink, comes along with a lot of legal requirements. Why are homes with 1 bathroom or 1 sink so out of the ordinary? We are very spoiled today, but even so lots of people do not have these amenities.
OP, I would pay you double of the cost you estimate if you can do it legally so I don't get in trouble and it's done right and I can sell our house when we need to without trouble.
I thank Hashem every day for our small kitchen with the 1 small sink. BH we have tuition to pay so I don't think we will get another sink and I am grateful that we get to pay some tuition - it's amazing that Hashem gave us children to pay tuition for! We use a bathroom sink for dairy dishes. We make it work. I would be sad if someone decided to question our kashrus because we are not that well off that we can afford to redo our kitchen... and I would be angry at their narrow mindedness and judginess too, so I hope they wouldn't ever tell me their rationale!
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Elfrida
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 6:42 pm
I grew up on England and we had one sink. My parents renovated the kitchen twice; once when I was about five, and once a few years ago. On neither occasion did they consider that putting in an extra sink was worth the sacrifice of counter space required. We managed very comfortably all those years with just one. I don't remember any of our friends having two sinks.
Living in Israel, two sinks is standard in frum areas, and the kitchen is designed to accommodate them. It's a luxury that I enjoy but in no way consider essential.
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amother
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 6:42 pm
We have a double basin sink, but they are both small and quite shallow, so there’s no way we could use one side for milchig and one for fleishig. Plus the whole issue with the one drain pipe.
So we just use that for fleishig and I use my laundry sink for milchig.
It’s really not ideal.
People with biggish families, how do you manage using one sink for both? Where do you keep all the dirty dishes while they’re waiting to be cleaned?
When we first got married, we had a small apartment kitchen with one sink. We had three tubs (milchig, fleishig and parev), while one was in the sink other two would be kept in the cupboard below and that was fine to put in the two cups and plates we used. But with a growing family and a lot more cooking I just imagine dishes everywhere…
In our previous rental we had two separate sinks and one oven, now we have (in effect) one sink but two ovens. As much as I love having a proper milchig oven and not using a toaster oven. I would much rather two sinks than two ovens.
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Elfrida
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 6:54 pm
amother [ Camellia ] wrote: | People with biggish families, how do you manage using one sink for both? Where do you keep all the dirty dishes while they’re waiting to be cleaned?
When we first got married, we had a small apartment kitchen with one sink. We had three tubs (milchig, fleishig and parev), while one was in the sink other two would be kept in the cupboard below and that was fine to put in the two cups and plates we used. But with a growing family and a lot more cooking I just imagine dishes everywhere... |
We didn't have dishes waiting to be washed. They were done straight after every meal.
When we got a dishwasher the dirty dishes sat in it until it was full and could be switched on. My mother hated it, and was almost willing to sacrifice the convince to avoid the dirty dishes sitting around.
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amother
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 7:43 pm
On #3 apartment in Brooklyn with 1 sink and 1 bathroom! Bh the 1 bathroom is very hard.
Apt #1 was a 1 bed 1 bath with one sink and we paid to add a 2nd sink: $200 for the sink plus additional labor costs to put in a second sink on the wall like a standing sink kind of. We had to leave it when left that rental. Owned by a Jewish person and newly renovated, in a Jewish community renting to Jews.
Apt #2 was 2 bed 1 bath w one sink. It had 1 straight old disgusting counter, bh the landlord agreed to replace it and when replacing it we asked if could add a second sink on our money since replacing counter anyway. He agreed, he paid for the new counter we bought the sink it was so small it wouldn't fit a 9 inch plate inside fully I remember. It did the job for daIry dishes we don't eat them that often. Putting that sink in we did lose some counter space and we lost a dish drawer. The counter was 1 row anyway not more than 6 ft long was tiny kitchen. I don't remember the costs but we did buy the sink and perhaps paid for some of the labor.
Apt #3 bh like 2.5 bed 1 bath, I dream of a second toilet even! We are renting please doven landlord will agree to pay to put one in! This sink is like 1 sink with a metal divider into 2 sinks, like 2 connected sinks. We took a pic of the pipes below and showed our Rav before moving in. We use them as 2 separate, 1 milk and 1 meat, our Rav instructed us to make the divider on top of the sinks taller, and we had a handyman attach a 2.5 inch plexiglass thing that runs along the divider making the separation taller between the two. Then I saw that stuff splashes between the two sinks easily, so on my own (wasn't instructed by a Rav) I bought a super strong heavy cutting board on Amazon it's plastic but thick, and I lay that to cover 1 sink while washing dishes, and flip it to the other side to wash the other. So that board is essentially treif I don't use it for anything but a cover to prevent stuff splashing when washing dishes. It doesn't come in contact with food or water, the dishes are never piled so high that the board touches them while sitting on top there's always space. Also if I have cleaning help wash dishes I make sure she uses that since sinks are close/connected.
Honestly when I own one day Gd willing, I want for sure lots of counter space, 2 separate sinks, and for sure at least 2 full bathrooms maybe an additional toilet. I can't comprehend how standard it is for even 3 bedrooms to have only 1 toilet in Brooklyn.
Again bh like the other poster said, to be able to live here is a miracle and thankful every day!
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Firebrick
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 8:14 pm
Renting in Boro Park. Everyone I know has 2 sinks... Must be location dependant. Sinks are side by side with 2 faucets and 2 basins. Has small wall made out of Formica for shpritzing. Think it's connected at drain but I'm no expert..
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amother
Marigold
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Wed, Jan 12 2022, 8:26 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote: | When reading the thread about the neighbor with the 1 sink, I was curious how many people seem to be saying they have only 1 sink. I live in the UK and everyone I know has 2 sinks. It's not considered a luxury. A sink costs around £100, plus a bit more for plumbing and fitting. It's not such a big deal.
I'm just wondering why you wouldn't put a second sink in. My aunt even has 3 sinks, one milchig, one fleishig and one pareve. |
Ye same!!!!!!!
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shabbatiscoming
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Thu, Jan 13 2022, 4:02 am
I have two sinks now, but I grew up with only one sink and didnt know anyone who had two sinks. It just wasnt a thing back when I was growing up. Even when my parents redid the kitchen, they did not put in two sinks. It just wasnt done. When I made aliyah I lived in a very old building and we had only one sink. After that it just depended on the building, home. Some had one and some had two sinks.
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Raisin
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Thu, Jan 13 2022, 4:15 am
Elfrida wrote: | We didn't have dishes waiting to be washed. They were done straight after every meal.
When we got a dishwasher the dirty dishes sat in it until it was full and could be switched on. My mother hated it, and was almost willing to sacrifice the convince to avoid the dirty dishes sitting around. |
I love the diswasher because the dirty dishes are hidden!
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Raisin
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Thu, Jan 13 2022, 4:18 am
FWIW if you are building a commercial kitchen in my country you need THREE sinks. Food prep, washing up (which might be a double sink) and handwashing.
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