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 Sun, Jan 16 2022, 2:20 pm
| ValleyMom wrote: | As a teacher we need to be held accountable for being alert and aware when proctoring an exam.
This is not the time for a teacher to be saying her daily tehillim or scrolling instagram.
Educators are PAID to be alert, aware and actively observing the class.
I find this entire thread bizarre- students are not being held accountable for their dishonesty, parents disregard their child's dishonesty, and teachers accused of being "lazy"... I am stunned. |
More likely for a teacher to be doing paperwork or grading papers. At least at any school I have ever worked at phones are only used in an emergency or to text administration for something time sensitive.
And a midterm can be 4 hours, typically as a proctor I walk up and down every 10-15 minutes or come to people as hands are raised. I am not scanning the classroom every second. My goal is to avoid cheating but I can’t be perfect.
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Sun, Jan 16 2022, 2:24 pm
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Along a similar line, I have a student who has a 70 average and every time she does homework she gets 💯. You think I don’t know that her older sister or parents are helping her ?? Of course I do but I can’t prevent it, the same way I can tell clearly when a book report is written by a 6th grader or her mother. Grades are multifaceted.
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Sun, Jan 16 2022, 2:26 pm
I am a h.s. teacher. I proctor very carefully, especially at the end of the exam when girls are moving around. Unfortunately, there are girls who will cheat if they are not monitored and they should be stopped for their own good. It also depends on the culture of the school. In my h.s.. they take this seriously. Honesty is crucial to being an ehrliche person. I am horrified by some responses.
There is a concept of Lifnei evair lo siten michshal-you shouldn't put a stumbling block in front of a blind person. it is the teacher's responsibility to make it a proper environment.
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Sun, Jan 16 2022, 2:26 pm
| amother [ Impatiens ] wrote: | How does an A student cheat to valedictorian?
You really think teachers are stupid? You really think grades are given based on two or three tests? There is classwork and participation and assignments and having material ready and so forth. Cheating is not fostered, there are students who will cheat, teachers know exactly who they are.
Case in point- a student who was sure she would be valedictorian- she was an above average student because of a good memory thahkb”h blessed her with, she put in zero effort , and had an attitude. She was not chosen- you should have seen the fit she threw. But another student who rightly deserved it was chosen.
Those who are not in chinuch should stop assuming they can tell teachers how to run the classrooms. |
Those who are making stupid assumptions should stop telling other people how to reposed.
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Sun, Jan 16 2022, 2:51 pm
| amother [ Impatiens ] wrote: | So what? It’s not my job to stop the cheating. If a bas yisroel feels the need to cheat, and in HighSchool, that’s her choice and problem.
Maybe something is going on at home and she couldn’t study,
maybe she has overbearing parents who will yell at her if she fails,
Maybe she will collapse if she fails,
Maybe her image as a “ A” student simply cannot be tarnished,
Maybe she is someone who likes to cut corners,
Maybe she is a cheater or liar( I can’t and won’t believe this),so she will learn later in life that people catch on and don’t respect such persons.
Leave it alone.
And if a student is shvach in class but aces her test, you think a teacher doesn’t know she cheated? |
As someone who works in the administration of a high school, I now understand why girls cheat. It’s because of parents like you that justify behavior like this. I’m sure you would want to go to a doctor who cheated on his exams or perhaps a judge that doesn’t know the laws. Or even better, a rav that got smicha based on cheating. Should I go on?
You think these people ever change? It starts small and ends big. And then you wonder why there are so many men/woman that cheat. Because everything is justified.
Honestly, I don’t really care if this kid has a life story. She can turn to the principal for help before doing such a kroom thing. And if I were you, I would take this chance to really lean when to be Dan lekaf zechus, there are times that one should not justify dishonesty.
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Sun, Jan 16 2022, 2:55 pm
| amother [ Impatiens ] wrote: | So what? It’s not my job to stop the cheating. If a bas yisroel feels the need to cheat, and in HighSchool, that’s her choice and problem.
Maybe something is going on at home and she couldn’t study,
maybe she has overbearing parents who will yell at her if she fails,
Maybe she will collapse if she fails,
Maybe her image as a “ A” student simply cannot be tarnished,
Maybe she is someone who likes to cut corners,
Maybe she is a cheater or liar( I can’t and won’t believe this),so she will learn later in life that people catch on and don’t respect such persons.
Leave it alone.
And if a student is shvach in class but aces her test, you think a teacher doesn’t know she cheated? |
Im a little taken aback by this response.
I was a girl who "had things going on" at home, all my life. We were dirt poor, and I do mean that literally. My mother was physically collapsing from the emotional stress and was therefor abusive to us children. Then she would feel bad and cry all day. My father tried his hardest, but was hospitalized due to the pressure. My home life was absolutely horrific.
I tried my very hardest to do well in school. I studied for hours on end, I took all my notes with me to my many babysitting jobs and studied all night there too. Getting good grades was my way to my own successful life. BH I did well, earned honors report cards, applied to and got into the college of my choice etc...
But youre saying if there were girls in my class who decided to cheat their way to good grades, its ok. We should let them be. If they cheat their way to the highest GPA, or a prestigious award, its ok? If they bumped me out of getting the award myself, its ok? Why??
Completely not understanding this way of thinking
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Sun, Jan 16 2022, 3:08 pm
| little neshamala wrote: | Im a little taken aback by this response.
I was a girl who "had things going on" at home, all my life. We were dirt poor, and I do mean that literally. My mother was physically collapsing from the emotional stress and was therefor abusive to us children. Then she would feel bad and cry all day. My father tried his hardest, but was hospitalized due to the pressure. My home life was absolutely horrific.
I tried my very hardest to do well in school. I studied for hours on end, I took all my notes with me to my many babysitting jobs and studied all night there too. Getting good grades was my way to my own successful life. BH I did well, earned honors report cards, applied to and got into the college of my choice etc...
But youre saying if there were girls in my class who decided to cheat their way to good grades, its ok. We should let them be. If they cheat their way to the highest GPA, or a prestigious award, its ok? If they bumped me out of getting the award myself, its ok? Why??
Completely not understanding this way of thinking |
NO- I am not saying it is ok. I am just trying to point out to parents that they don’t know what goes on in a classroom and what teachers have to consider when it comes to students. They don’t know when or how a teacher confronts situations. They think that teachers don’t know or do anything and they have to tell teachers what to do. No cheating is not ok. No it is not permitted. Yes students cheat. Yes girls should be responsible for their own actions. Yes there are consequences to every action.
Yes girls who work hard get upset and frustrated- and rightly so.
Stop assuming teachers don’t know what is going on in their own classroom.
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