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amother




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Post Thu, Feb 17 2022, 9:17 pm
You were given a different age? Say first grade instead of nursery?
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amother




Chocolate
 

Post Thu, Feb 17 2022, 9:22 pm
That really depends on you. Is it the same hours? Same amount of prep?
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shapeup613




 
 
 
 

Post Thu, Feb 17 2022, 10:11 pm
Absolutely not okay!
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happytobemom




 
 
 
 

Post Thu, Feb 17 2022, 10:27 pm
Depends if and when you were informed of the change
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icedcoffee




 
 
 
 

Post Thu, Feb 17 2022, 10:33 pm
I can't speak for small children but in elementary, middle or high school it's common. You're considered to be hired for the school, not for a specific position, so they'll put you where you're needed. Things can change between the hiring interview and the start of the school year. But like I said, I could be off because I don't have experience with nursery.
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amother




Olive
 

Post Thu, Feb 17 2022, 10:35 pm
if my teaching license covered it, probably ok. if it didn't, no way
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Rachel Shira




 
 
 
 

Post Thu, Feb 17 2022, 10:47 pm
I don’t think that’s okay. It’s a completely different skill set to teach first grade instead of preschool. Not fair to anybody. I also disagree with the poster above who said that you’re hired for the school, not for a certain class. Unless you’re hired as a sub or floater, I don’t think a school can just switch grades on you like that. For sure not past preschool, and even then you should be able to agree or not agree to the switch.
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amother




Offwhite
 

Post Fri, Feb 18 2022, 1:55 am
Rachel Shira wrote:
I don’t think that’s okay. It’s a completely different skill set to teach first grade instead of preschool. Not fair to anybody.


When I trained in early childhood education, my training included kindergarten and grades one and two. They are different skill sets, but there is a lot of overlap at this age, and one should be able to adapt the skills to either environment.

When applying for a job you apply for the position you want, but it's a tight job market. If you want the job, you need to be adaptable.
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amother




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Post Fri, Feb 18 2022, 4:05 am
A few years ago, straight out of college, I applied for and accepted a job teaching Grade 5 math to 3 G5 classes at a certain public school. I was supposed to be a specialist, each class would come to be once a day. About 2 weeks before school started, they called and said instead of 20-ish kids in 3 classes, they decided to do 30-ish kids in 2 classes. And I would be one of the 2 classroom teachers! I would teach math, science, spelling (to my class), and the other G5 teacher would teach English, history, and spelling (to his class). Problem is my certification was in G5-12 math, not elementary school! So I had no clue what I was doing and it was a disaster! I lasted until Thanksgiving, then quit.

The teachers there were all getting switched around that year actually, because they decided a teacher teaching math needs to pass some specific test, and many teachers didn't want to even take that test because then they can be switched to being a "math specialist," which they didn't want. That's according to one teacher I spoke to. So I was replacing a teacher that was moving to G3 or G4 because she didn't want to take this test. She was not happy about it either!

So that's my take on things- it can happen, but does not always go well! Up to you if you want to accept the position they give you in the end.
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amother




Calendula
 

Post Fri, Feb 18 2022, 7:26 am
Depends. If it's 4th vs 5th grade, whatever. If it's 4th vs 1st or 7th, yeah, that not ok.
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imasinger




 
 
 
 

Post Fri, Feb 18 2022, 7:52 am
Okay how?

Okay like can administrators do this to a teacher? Yeah, they can and do.

Okay like does it feel good? That depends on the teacher. Some welcome the change (I've seen teachers quit because they felt like they wanted a different grade to get out of a rut, and were ignored), some are unhappy but ultimately come to terms, and some hate it. Most truly unhappy vote with their feet, because there aren't a lot of other options.
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icedcoffee




 
 
 
 

Post Fri, Feb 18 2022, 8:41 am
Rachel Shira wrote:
Unless you’re hired as a sub or floater, I don’t think a school can just switch grades on you like that. For sure not past preschool, and even then you should be able to agree or not agree to the switch.


I'm not sure if you're saying they can't do this or they shouldn't do this, but they can and do all the time in middle and high school at both private and public schools.
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nicole81




 
 
 
 

Post Fri, Feb 18 2022, 8:55 am
I don't know if you're licensed but I can tell you that in public school we project certain needs but then right before school starts and we have more accurate data, we often have to move staff around within their licensed area to ensure the school runs. And the teachers are given their programs when they start one day before classes begin.
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amother




Peachpuff
 

Post Fri, Feb 18 2022, 9:02 am
nicole81 wrote:
I don't know if you're licensed but I can tell you that in public school we project certain needs but then right before school starts and we have more accurate data, we often have to move staff around within their licensed area to ensure the school runs. And the teachers are given their programs when they start one day before classes begin.


Wow- that's pretty short notice. How do they prepare?
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amother




Burgundy
 

Post Fri, Feb 18 2022, 9:05 am
You are always welcome to quit.
No employment or employee is guaranteed.
Obviously they no longer needed you in the first position, so the moves you to where they either had a need or may have honestly felt you were a better fit. Would you rather they just fired you?
Either adjust and teach at the new grade level or walk. You don’t need to stay if you don’t think it is a good fit.
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amother




Apple
 

Post Fri, Feb 18 2022, 9:42 am
I would imagine your asking for the opposite reason you always taught first grade and was put down. Which some people find very degrading. But its possible you have the right skills for one grade that would be better. For example they think you are a very patient person which is good in first and in nursery. Your also a soft person which is good in first but you also need some firmness to control the kids. But thats even better in nursery your not that strong in teaching reading which is very important for first grade but overall you are a natural teacher which would make you an amazing teacher for nursery
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nicole81




 
 
 
 

Post Fri, Feb 18 2022, 5:03 pm
amother [ Peachpuff ] wrote:
Wow- that's pretty short notice. How do they prepare?


Most people do the same activities the first couple of days of school which would work with any class. They have access to a detailed curriculum (I actually mandate it in most stem classes) and prep as they go along. Most ps teachers have masters in teaching their subject area, so the 45-90 min a day they get to prep, plus an extra hour per week should be enough for them to manage, even with something they've never taught. And I can say as a math licensed teacher, I used to hope I'd get algebra 1 every year, but I knew I had to be prepared to teach geo, alg2, calc, etc. It's par for the course of working within the school system.

But really, I don't think teachers can pull of masterful lessons daily (ie the highest rating in all categories of the rubric we use) without prepping outside of the school day.
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amother




Mistyrose
 

Post Fri, Feb 18 2022, 5:40 pm
icedcoffee wrote:
I'm not sure if you're saying they can't do this or they shouldn't do this, but they can and do all the time in middle and high school at both private and public schools.

Right. Also in elementary schools!
I worked in public school for many years. After several years in an upper elem grade, I found out the week before school started I was being moved to a primary level grade. Had to pack up my room, move to a new one, set it up for a different age/skill level, get familiar with a new curriculum/resources etc. I ended up really liking the new grade level but it was a learning curve. As Nicole mentioned, it had to do with numbers and classes allocated accordingly.
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amother




Obsidian
 

Post Fri, Feb 18 2022, 7:25 pm
I do not think teaching nursery school is equivalent to teaching first graders.

One is a primary school teacher and the skill sets and classroom experience are completely different.

I know many primary school teachers in NYC public school system and while they might be asked to teach second grade instead of first it would be unthinkable for them somehow to be asked to become a nursery school teacher.

I don't think it is even effective to switch between grades because there are specific curriculum or skills that are being taught in each grade and a teacher needs a few years to develop and learn the best way to do that. They generally develop curriculum and learning materials and of course the best teachers do lots to update those during the summer, it would be difficult for them to develop the same tools and techniques in two weeks as they had accumulated over a few years.

Of course some people don't think that teachers actually have a skill that is "teaching" which is both learned through getting a degree and license as well as becoming more skillful as they get a few years of teaching under their belt.
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amother




Daylily
 

Post Sat, Feb 19 2022, 6:37 pm
If you're at a school for many years at the same grade level and they need you to switch (for a year or permanently), you're usually offered a substantial bonus or raise to reflect the amount of preparation you will have to put in.

Like, if you're taught 4th grade for ten years, you're not doing all that much preparation on a nightly basis. But if they need to move you down to second, you'll have to prepare from scratch. They usually offer compensation for that.
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