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chanatron1000
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 Tue, Mar 29 2022, 12:35 am
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Many people agree that it's not very nice. But that's not the same thing as being ableist.
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causemommysaid
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 12:42 am
Alopecia is a disability. Maybe more of a disfigurement than disability but I think joking about it fits into the abelist category.
I also think slapping someone in the face is a disgusting and illegal response.
Two people with issues airing their dirty laundry.
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amother
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 12:47 am
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Coming from someone that has alopecia I feel like what he said was very rude, but Will did not have to act in such a manner.
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amother
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 12:49 am
Depends if someone is wearing it as a fashion statement or because they have no choice.
If the joke would have been on Amber Rose, maybe it would have been funny.
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DrMom
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 12:53 am
A lot of comedy -- including comedy that was said at the Oscars in the past and jokes that were make by others that very same night -- is "rude."
You can't go around hitting people who say rude things. Imagine if everybody did that.
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amother
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 12:59 am
I wonder if Will knew that if he didn't act and do something his wife wouldn't be pleased with him that night....
It kills the moment when people say stupid things and make hurtful comments.
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causemommysaid
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 1:04 am
| amother [ Firebrick ] wrote: | I wonder if Will knew that if he didn't act and do something his wife wouldn't be pleased with him that night....
It kills the moment when people say stupid things and make hurtful comments. |
He could have called the other guy out without physical assault
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amother
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 1:08 am
I think he was right to smack him. For some reason verbal abuse is always defendable because "at least it wasn't physical."
I think Chris said something awful, and I'm glad Will stood up for his wife.
I'm aware that no one else shares my view.
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causemommysaid
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 1:12 am
| amother [ Coffee ] wrote: | I think he was right to smack him. For some reason verbal abuse is always defendable because "at least it wasn't physical."
I think Chris said something awful, and I'm glad Will stood up for his wife.
I'm aware that no one else shares my view. |
He was completely horrible.
Problem is, saying mean things is not illegal. Hitting people is illegal. Smith is lucky Rock isn't pressing charges.
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amother
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 1:17 am
| amother [ Coffee ] wrote: | I think he was right to smack him. For some reason verbal abuse is always defendable because "at least it wasn't physical."
I think Chris said something awful, and I'm glad Will stood up for his wife.
I'm aware that no one else shares my view. |
Verbal abuse is not defendable.
Verbal abuse becomes defendable when one reacts with physical abuse.
If not for the slap, there would have been much more backlash about the "joke".
He only hurt himself with the slap.
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DrMom
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 1:20 am
| amother [ Coffee ] wrote: | I think he was right to smack him. For some reason verbal abuse is always defendable because "at least it wasn't physical."
I think Chris said something awful, and I'm glad Will stood up for his wife.
I'm aware that no one else shares my view. |
I sure don't share this view.
Imagine if every time somebody was offended he could physically assault the person who offended him.
Abusers would be the first ones to exploit this rule. "Yeah, I hit her, but she offended me, so I had a right to."
Civil society would unravel.
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amother
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 1:35 am
I'm not advocating for physical violence. However there is an inherent problem. People get away with verbal abuse all of the time. For a variety of reasons, there is almost never serious enough consequences for verbal abuse. Let's say Will didn't get up and smack Chris. Something else should have been done. Chris should have been escorted off stage, or booed, or even publicly reprimanded, but no one will do that. People are not motivated enough to respond. And that is wrong. So yeh, it was dumb what Will did, but it is important to protest what happened in the moment.
I have a son who is a good boy, but the new boy in school so he gets picked on without instigating anything. The boys say awful things and he tells the teacher. She makes excuses. It escalates, and until she hears it herself, she doesn't acknowledge it. Then she tells the boy to stop. Guess what, it does nothing. So my son gets called the son of a harlot, and he just has to deal with it. My husband wants our son to punch him the next time it happens because he thinks it'll be the only thing to effectively make the kids stop, but I know it will just land my kid in trouble, and he will become the one in the wrong. It is wrong that this is how things work. The fact that everyone allows Will's response to overshadow the bigger problem is proof to the underlying lack of integrity that exists when someone verbally abuses someone else.
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amother
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 1:37 am
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There is a difference between being someone getting "offended" and someone being the recipient of verbal abuse.
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Reality
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 1:51 am
| amother [ Coffee ] wrote: | | There is a difference between being someone getting "offended" and someone being the recipient of verbal abuse. |
Well if someone is married to someone who constantly makes them the butt of nasty jokes, I'd call that verbally abusive.
But a one time joke by a comedian in a forum where "roasting" celebrities is viewed as acceptable? No way. Chris Rock was doing what he was supposed to be doing. Will Smith got confused and thought he was in the middle of filming his next movie. Except in real life, smacking someone in the face over a bad joke is crazy behavior.
My first thought was good thing they're both Black! Then my next thought was, how crazy that no matter what happens, Americans are conditioned to be obsessed about race!!
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imaima
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 1:57 am
| DrMom wrote: | I sure don't share this view.
Imagine if every time somebody was offended he could physically assault the person who offended him.
Abusers would be the first ones to exploit this rule. "Yeah, I hit her, but she offended me, so I had a right to."
Civil society would unravel. |
The comedian took advantage of the fact that he was on stage and he was a comedian, so he was kinda "allowed" to say insulting things that are funny and he exploited being on stage which gives him distance from the audience, even if distance is more virtual than physical.
More often than not people feel that they can insult under the pretence of "humor". Just how many amothers have posted here that their dhs joke at their expense.
It is a mean thing to do.
Will saw through it and destroyed this virtual construct of a "speaker on stage" and I think was very manly. What was a better reaction? Laughing about it, yelling smth from the audience? That's lame.
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DrMom
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 2:00 am
| amother [ Coffee ] wrote: | I'm not advocating for physical violence. However there is an inherent problem. People get away with verbal abuse all of the time. For a variety of reasons, there is almost never serious enough consequences for verbal abuse. Let's say Will didn't get up and smack Chris. Something else should have been done. Chris should have been escorted off stage, or booed, or even publicly reprimanded, but no one will do that. People are not motivated enough to respond. And that is wrong. So yeh, it was dumb what Will did, but it is important to protest what happened in the moment.
I have a son who is a good boy, but the new boy in school so he gets picked on without instigating anything. The boys say awful things and he tells the teacher. She makes excuses. It escalates, and until she hears it herself, she doesn't acknowledge it. Then she tells the boy to stop. Guess what, it does nothing. So my son gets called the son of a harlot, and he just has to deal with it. My husband wants our son to punch him the next time it happens because he thinks it'll be the only thing to effectively make the kids stop, but I know it will just land my kid in trouble, and he will become the one in the wrong. It is wrong that this is how things work. The fact that everyone allows Will's response to overshadow the bigger problem is proof to the underlying lack of integrity that exists when someone verbally abuses someone else. |
No, comedians should not be marched off to the gulag if they offend someone.
Sorry for what is happening to your son (is this a religious school? what kind of language do these boys use??) , but your projection of his situation onto every other situation in the world is not incorrect.
Also, Chris Rock was not harassing and taunting Jada Pinkett Smith incessantly - he made one mild joke in a string of unrelated jokes. The reaction was completely insane and any normal non-privileged non-celebrity would have been rightfully arrested for assault.
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chanatron1000
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 2:09 am
| imaima wrote: | The comedian took advantage of the fact that he was on stage and he was a comedian, so he was kinda "allowed" to say insulting things that are funny and he exploited being on stage which gives him distance from the audience, even if distance is more virtual than physical.
More often than not people feel that they can insult under the pretence of "humor". Just how many amothers have posted here that their dhs joke at their expense.
It is a mean thing to do.
Will saw through it and destroyed this virtual construct of a "speaker on stage" and I think was very manly. What was a better reaction? Laughing about it, yelling smth from the audience? That's lame. |
Well, first of all, once he was going to hit, walking up, hitting, and walking away is not the way to do it. He should have made it a fair fight. But also, I think he should have tried speaking before hitting.
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ora_43
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 2:21 am
| imaima wrote: | | The comedian took advantage of the fact that he was on stage and he was a comedian, so he was kinda "allowed" to say insulting things that are funny and he exploited being on stage which gives him distance from the audience, even if distance is more virtual than physical. |
The comedian was doing what comedians have always done at the Oscars. Roasting the crowd is part of the show. You can argue that it's mean-spirited in general and the Oscars should do better, sure, but it's their literal job, not a loophole they're exploiting.
Amy Schumer's jokes were at least that offensive.
And Will Smith has heard - and laughed at - plenty of jokes about other people in the crowd, so let's not pretend this was about seeing through the charade and standing up for good taste.
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hodeez
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 5:02 am
And then he makes a speech about being a 'vessel of love' 
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amother
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Tue, Mar 29 2022, 7:24 am
I watched the clip a few times I don’t hear what he said.
But he was laughing at the joke till his wife glared at him
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