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amother
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 Wed, Apr 06 2022, 10:19 am
| salt wrote: | I would agree with that if the English name was a real English name (eg. Charles) and not an translated Jewish name (Judah).
My brother has this:
His English name is, say, Isaac.
His Hebrew name is after 2 grandfathers, say Moshe Chaim.
On a day-to-day basis he went by the name of Isaac.
He came to live in Israel for a few years, and went by the name of Yitzhack - he just translated his English name, as he felt like it was more 'him' than calling himself "Moshe Chaim", which was his Hebrew name, but he had never used.
But he just confused himself and everyone around him. I remember he once got an aliya in Israel, and the gabbai called him up "ya'amod Yitzchak ben...?" - waiting from my brother to complete his name and his father's name.
And my brother said "no it's Moshe Chaim" 
Had my brother been called Yitzhack Moshe Chaim in Hebrew, it would have made life easier, and enabled him to 'connect' to his Hebrew name better.
Conclusion - use 3 Hebrew names, the first one being Yehuda. |
Why did he call himself Yizchak in israel when it simply wasn't his name? Why didn't he just call himself Isaac?
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Wed, Apr 06 2022, 10:36 am
Many people have the custom to only name for one person at a time. To not do both grandparents names for one kid.
Can you do one of the grandparents with the name you like?
Also naming a child is Ruach HaKodesh so you can always say that if people get offended.
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Wed, Apr 06 2022, 10:39 am
I'm glad you are at peace with your decision.
I actually wasn't thinking about this one boy receiving an aliyah. It's more that this boy's sons, iyH, will be however many names ben 3 names. I do know 3 names ben 3 names and it is a lot.
Honestly, there is no "wrong" answer here.
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Wed, Apr 06 2022, 10:46 am
I'll give my opinion since you asked for it, but take it with a grain of salt because ultimately you were chosen to be this child's mother, not any of us, and I believe that at least some mothers can feel what the child's name is.
Anyway, so my opinion is that I wouldn't like either solution presented. I don't like three names, I think some people could find it burdensome.
And as for the mix, I personally never preferred that either. I've known plenty of people whose English names didn't match their Hebrew ones, and I just never cared for it. I even know of one family who thought they were having their last and wanted to name after too many people, so they just used one of them as an English name which didn't match the Hebrew. (Let's say his name was Avraham Yitzchok but his English name was Jacob). When they were surprised with another boy, they named him Yakov (with a different English name).
And not that this really should matter for choosing a name, but I suspect that future generations will assume the legal name was their Jewish name and use that if naming for them.
If I had that dilemma, I'd probably try to have my cake and eat it too. I'd figure out how the name Yehuda has something in common with one of the other names and replace it.
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amother
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Wed, Apr 06 2022, 12:20 pm
| salt wrote: | I would agree with that if the English name was a real English name (eg. Charles) and not an translated Jewish name (Judah).
My brother has this:
His English name is, say, Isaac.
His Hebrew name is after 2 grandfathers, say Moshe Chaim.
On a day-to-day basis he went by the name of Isaac.
He came to live in Israel for a few years, and went by the name of Yitzhack - he just translated his English name, as he felt like it was more 'him' than calling himself "Moshe Chaim", which was his Hebrew name, but he had never used.
But he just confused himself and everyone around him. I remember he once got an aliya in Israel, and the gabbai called him up "ya'amod Yitzchak ben...?" - waiting from my brother to complete his name and his father's name.
And my brother said "no it's Moshe Chaim"
Had my brother been called Yitzhack Moshe Chaim in Hebrew, it would have made life easier, and enabled him to 'connect' to his Hebrew name better.
Conclusion - use 3 Hebrew names, the first one being Yehuda. |
Similar story with my brother, but it had halachik ramifications. He got a name at his bris that was never intended to be used (no one liked it), and an unrelated English name. Later, when he went to a frum school it was too jarring to switch the the Hebrew name, so for his whole life he went by the Hebrew version of his English name. As an adult, a very big posek told him he can drop his bris name entirely because it has never been used. He chose not to, but when he's called to the Torah and such, he needs to be called by both names.
My bil, on the other hand, got a classic Jewish name at bris, but was called his whole life by a completely unrelated more modern Hebrew name, which has since become somewhat mainstream. So it's really confusing. He has two unrelated Jewish names and goes by only one, but is called up to the Torah and such by only the other. People were sure that there was a typo on the wedding invitation...imagine Dovid on one side and Avi on the other.
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a2z
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Mon, May 16 2022, 8:14 am
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Just saying, I have a friend who's brother has 5 names
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a2z
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Mon, May 16 2022, 8:19 am
| a2z wrote: | | Just saying, I have a friend who's brother has 5 names |
All Hebrew ( in Israel)
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