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amother




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Post Fri, May 20 2022, 8:56 am
I read that bee pollen increases testosterone in males.

is it safe to give to boys or will it bring on early puberty?
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amother




Papaya
 

Post Sun, Jun 19 2022, 9:26 pm
Don't feed your kids supplements which you don't know the impact of, if nothing's wrong with them to begin with...
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Post Sun, Jun 19 2022, 10:29 pm
I doubt it's much worse than giving boys soy products, but agree with the poster above: There is no superfood out there that is necessary for everyone. If you don't have a good reason why your son NEEDS bee pollen and bee pollen specifically, don't give it to him. It is FAR better to work on improving his diet altogether and making sure he gets plenty of exercise and sunlight.

If you feel like you MUST give more, consider nutrition-dense foods like bone broths, fermentations, and a variety of fruits and vegetables.

I know that when you first stumble across a new alternative medicine tool or supplement it feels like it can cure ANYTHING! But although they are useful and beneficial, they are not as magical as they first feel.

In my house we've used homeopathic remedies, essential oils, sodium ascorbate, Vitamin D megadoses, and more. They're all amazing but no one person NEEDS them on a regular basis. I've learned to give them when necessary and focus on general health overall.
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Post Sun, Jun 19 2022, 11:43 pm
amother [ Clover ] wrote:
I doubt it's much worse than giving boys soy products, but agree with the poster above: There is no superfood out there that is necessary for everyone. If you don't have a good reason why your son NEEDS bee pollen and bee pollen specifically, don't give it to him. It is FAR better to work on improving his diet altogether and making sure he gets plenty of exercise and sunlight.

If you feel like you MUST give more, consider nutrition-dense foods like bone broths, fermentations, and a variety of fruits and vegetables.

I know that when you first stumble across a new alternative medicine tool or supplement it feels like it can cure ANYTHING! But although they are useful and beneficial, they are not as magical as they first feel.

In my house we've used homeopathic remedies, essential oils, sodium ascorbate, Vitamin D megadoses, and more. They're all amazing but no one person NEEDS them on a regular basis. I've learned to give them when necessary and focus on general health overall.


if you are giving vitamins like vit d - a isolated vitamin- why shouldnt bee pollen which is more of a whole food be more beneficial? and bee pollen comes in a fermented version too called bee bread...
its just so tempting to give it instead of a multi vitamin.

I dont look at it as a supplement or superfood. I look at it as a food, like honey is also a food.
sugar aside its chock full of good stuff...

the thing with bone broth and other foods which are meant to be nutrient dense. they arent.

the bones used for broth I cant get grass fed, the yogurts are also not from healthy grass fed cows...so...
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Mocha
 

Post Sun, Jun 19 2022, 11:46 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
I read that bee pollen increases testosterone in males.

is it safe to give to boys or will it bring on early puberty?
Why are you wanting to incrrease your child's testosterone? Do you know that he is low in that? If not, then there is no reason to be increasing this in your child. And how old is the child in question?
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Post Sun, Jun 19 2022, 11:51 pm
amother [ Mocha ] wrote:
Why are you wanting to incrrease your child's testosterone? Do you know that he is low in that? If not, then there is no reason to be increasing this in your child. And how old is the child in question?


I do not want to increase or mess about in anyway.

he is 9 and loves it. but I just read that it can increase testosterone so I got worried that it has side effects of messing wit hormones. I wanted to know if anyone knows his to be true?
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amother




Clover
 

Post Sun, Jun 19 2022, 11:51 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
if you are giving vitamins like vit d - a isolated vitamin- why shouldnt bee pollen which is more of a whole food be more beneficial? and bee pollen comes in a fermented version too called bee bread...
its just so tempting to give it instead of a multi vitamin.

I dont look at it as a supplement or superfood. I look at it as a food, like honey is also a food.
sugar aside its chock full of good stuff...

I don't give multivitamins. They are only insurance policies for an inadequate diet.

I also don't give Vitamin D regularly. Only for the onset of illness, where it can dramatically shorten the course. We also don't give Vitamin C / sodium ascorbate on a regular basis, just to get rid of symptoms when acutely ill.

I don't believe in superfoods, especially those that need to be "dosed." That's just a healthier version of a vitamin. Ferments or bone broths are actually food, and aren't given in doses. They are incorporated into a healthy diet.

If you are giving a child toast with honey, and want to mix in bee pollen to upgrade the healthiness of the treat, that is one thing. But any food that you try to eat a certain amount of every day for health benefits IS in your mind a "superfood" or vitamin.

You can do what you want of course, and as I said I doubt it's much worse than soy (although I wouldn't give a child soy as a supplement on a daily basis either). But I really think that an overall healthy diet will accomplish FAR more than any kind of vitamin or bee pollen product.
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amother




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Post Sun, Jun 19 2022, 11:51 pm
read my original post.

amother [ OP ] wrote:
I do not want to increase or mess about in anyway.

he is 9 and loves it. but I just read that it can increase testosterone so I got worried that it has side effects of messing wit hormones. I wanted to know if anyone knows his to be true?
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amother




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Post Sun, Jun 19 2022, 11:53 pm
amother [ Clover ] wrote:
I don't give multivitamins. They are only insurance policies for an inadequate diet.

I also don't give Vitamin D regularly. Only for the onset of illness, where it can dramatically shorten the course. We also don't give Vitamin C / sodium ascorbate on a regular basis, just to get rid of symptoms when acutely ill.

I don't believe in superfoods, especially those that need to be "dosed." That's just a healthier version of a vitamin. Ferments or bone broths are actually food, and aren't given in doses. They are incorporated into a healthy diet.

If you are giving a child toast with honey, and want to mix in bee pollen to upgrade the healthiness of the treat, that is one thing. But any food that you try to eat a certain amount of every day for health benefits IS in your mind a "superfood" or vitamin.

You can do what you want of course, and as I said I doubt it's much worse than soy (although I wouldn't give a child soy as a supplement on a daily basis either). But I really think that an overall healthy diet will accomplish FAR more than any kind of vitamin or bee pollen product.


why do you compare it to soy? do you consider it a disrupter? or you dont know and imagine it cant be worse than soy?
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amother




Clover
 

Post Sun, Jun 19 2022, 11:54 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
the thing with bone broth and other foods which are meant to be nutrient dense. they arent.

the bones used for broth I cant get grass fed, the yogurts are also not from healthy grass fed cows...so...

If it is important to you, you can obtain healthier meat or dairy. For example I know someone who does short run shechitah of free-range grass-fed cows in the USA, and there are healthier yogurts (plus you can get raw milk and make your own).

I don't think broths or yogurts are the be-all and end-all of healthful foods either. I wouldn't put much stock (pun not intended) into any one specific food. Just focus on an overall healthy diet including hormone-free meat and dairy, ideally some ferments (whether pareve or dairy), and a variety of fruits and vegetables.
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amother




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Post Sun, Jun 19 2022, 11:54 pm
which ferments other than yogurt?
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amother




Clover
 

Post Sun, Jun 19 2022, 11:56 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
which ferments other than yogurt?

Kefir, borscht, sauerkraut, any kind of fermented vegetable...
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amother




Clover
 

Post Mon, Jun 20 2022, 12:25 am
amother [ OP ] wrote:
why do you compare it to soy? do you consider it a disrupter? or you dont know and imagine it cant be worse than soy?

I don't know for sure. But any food that messes with hormones should be used with caution, although I wouldn't freak out about occasional usage.
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amother




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Post Mon, Jun 20 2022, 1:26 am
I have no idea if it messes with hormones.
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