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There is no objective standard for writing quality. Or for any art. If it deviates from the typical, it's perceived as either inferior or innovative based on personal taste and level of respect for the artist.
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Sun, Jul 03 2022, 8:48 am
| Kiwi13 wrote: | | As a writer, this thread makes me sad. I haven’t read any of articles mentioned, and I’ve never been to a bungalow (didn’t even know what that WAS until grad school when some guy tried to impress me by saying his family owned a whole colony of them. Boy, did my answer burst his bubble. “Cool. What’s a bungalow?”), but still, I think we could be a little gentler on here, especially knowing that the stories are written by women who might be on here (or might hear about it even if they’re not)? I’m assuming the stories are written to entertain and bring joy. If they don’t bring you joy, move on to the next. But obviously there are many who love them, especially considering posters are saying this is a second story similar to the first. That’s not something that tends to happen in the publishing world without the first one being successful. |
Here here. But can we speak about why there are so many serials - all over - that are soap opera train wrecks? At least some introduce quirky characters, or jobs, or something to maintain some level of interest and not make you totally feel like you read this before. (More than once.)
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Sun, Jul 03 2022, 8:49 am
| amother [ Cinnamon ] wrote: | I love Ami. Its interesting and fun. I find Mishpacha to be more pompous and too formulaic. I do like a few columnists in Mishpacha though, such as the psychiatrist and Rabbi Eisenman.
The serial about the bungalow colony is so upsetting.. I hope it ends really well. I know its aimed at making a point and getting people to react but I really hope no one is like that in real life.. |
I don't know the serial and yet, amother navy saw herself. So on some level people can relate to the story. If not the plot, then the characterization.
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Sun, Jul 03 2022, 8:51 am
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Mazel tov. You might have just got this thread locked. At the very least I hope this comment's scrubbed. If you truly feel this way, write a letter to the editor. They won't publish it but they might appreciate your opinion.
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I don't buy any magazines regularly enough to follow a serial, but I heard about this one at a simcha. The women were all into it and discussing the characters as if they were real people.
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Sun, Jul 03 2022, 2:04 pm
It’s funny, I’ve introduced several new concepts to frum publishers and was consistently told they prefer to work with what’s already being done because it’s “tried and true.” Anything new is a risk, and publishers (and magazines) don’t like to risk alienating even a tiny sliver of their already small target audiences. I hear them, honestly. I do.
I started a few serials on kindle vella that are obviously different than the standard frum ones, and I’m planning to self-publish my upcoming novel, because I can’t seem to “crack the code” with frum publishers. Sometimes I’m astounded by what flies and what doesn’t, and I wonder if maybe it’s okay when certain authors do it but not me, who knows… for example, it’s okay now to mention domestic issues and even serious Shalom bayis stuff in frum writing now, or addiction or whatever else can be mentioned within limits, but my female firefighter is a no go because she’s 30 and not home raising babies instead of having a career while she’s still not yet married.
Honestly, this isn’t the Torah I was raised on, and I’m moving on from it. If frum readers follow me to the self-published arena, great. If not, that’s okay too. I’m gradually building a broader readership. I just think it’s sad when we try to out-frum God Himself. The current guidelines are incredibly stifling. That’s the primary reason behind much of what people complain about in “frum writing.” Just putting that out there…
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Sun, Jul 03 2022, 2:49 pm
| pause wrote: | | I don't buy any magazines regularly enough to follow a serial, but I heard about this one at a simcha. The women were all into it and discussing the characters as if they were real people. |
All Fiction is BASED on real people.
So this is really how some women behave.
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Sun, Jul 03 2022, 11:21 pm
| Kiwi13 wrote: | It’s funny, I’ve introduced several new concepts to frum publishers and was consistently told they prefer to work with what’s already being done because it’s “tried and true.” Anything new is a risk, and publishers (and magazines) don’t like to risk alienating even a tiny sliver of their already small target audiences. I hear them, honestly. I do.
I started a few serials on kindle vella that are obviously different than the standard frum ones, and I’m planning to self-publish my upcoming novel, because I can’t seem to “crack the code” with frum publishers. Sometimes I’m astounded by what flies and what doesn’t, and I wonder if maybe it’s okay when certain authors do it but not me, who knows… for example, it’s okay now to mention domestic issues and even serious Shalom bayis stuff in frum writing now, or addiction or whatever else can be mentioned within limits, but my female firefighter is a no go because she’s 30 and not home raising babies instead of having a career while she’s still not yet married.
Honestly, this isn’t the Torah I was raised on, and I’m moving on from it. If frum readers follow me to the self-published arena, great. If not, that’s okay too. I’m gradually building a broader readership. I just think it’s sad when we try to out-frum God Himself. The current guidelines are incredibly stifling. That’s the primary reason behind much of what people complain about in “frum writing.” Just putting that out there… |
I would love to read your stuff. I’m kind of obsessed with the poem about your last nerve!
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Mon, Jul 04 2022, 2:35 am
| amother [ Razzmatazz ] wrote: | | I would love to read your stuff. I’m kind of obsessed with the poem about your last nerve! | Aww thanks!
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