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Has anyone ever done coaching -very high end - did it help?
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amother
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Post Mon, Jul 04 2022, 9:10 pm
amother [ Gladiolus ] wrote:
Yes I took a course about coaching and they encourage you to charge more bec people who pay more tend to follow through and have a higher success rate.

Gosh. I think coaching school should teach a better method for having clients follow through Mad
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Not_in_my_town




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jul 04 2022, 9:26 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
Can I ask how much he charges per session - when I saw $500 per hour for a life coach I was quite literally floored.


His price is generally in that price range.
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Not_in_my_town




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Jul 04 2022, 9:29 pm
amother [ Molasses ] wrote:
I don’t think a coach or / therapist should be charging $400 / hour. It’s not nice imo . Ofc we all have to make money, but truly it’s a helping profession . If you say how much can I possibly get away with charging - you are not being helpful. Just my opinion.


I think it depends on how much in demand a person's services are. Rabbi Friedman, for instance, is a very unique person with crystal clear thinking and proven methods. And he's a kind, gentle human being who really loves Hashem. People all over the world are clamoring to speak to him. How can he choose who needs to speak to him more? I think that high fees are a way to filter out those who have decided that they absolutely MUST speak to him.

When a person is seriously ill, is medication too pricey, or do they get it no matter what?

Same thing. If a person doesn't NEED his services, they won't be ready to pay the price. Someone who really NEEDS it will find a way.
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amother
Cinnamon


 

Post Mon, Jul 04 2022, 9:33 pm
amother [ Gladiolus ] wrote:
Yes I took a course about coaching and they encourage you to charge more bec people who pay more tend to follow through and have a higher success rate.

I guess that’s just one of the many differences between social work school and a coaching course.
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amother
Honeydew


 

Post Mon, Jul 04 2022, 11:21 pm
It's smart. I coach people in certain areas and I don't know how to charge although I really need to and when I do, it's not enough. I end up feeling bad for clients. It's a weakness of mine that I need to coach myself through too!

A saying I saw a couple weeks ago goes:

"A teacher never stops learning and a coach never stops fixing his problems". There is truth to that.

I am very busy and cannot help all who turn to me. One day bez''h I'll figure out a system with a clear non overworked mind and be able to make something work with less clients and charge more. This way it will stay enjoyable to work and still stay sane.
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amother
Gladiolus


 

Post Tue, Jul 05 2022, 5:56 am
amother [ Jetblack ] wrote:
Gosh. I think coaching school should teach a better method for having clients follow through Mad
Obviously they teach other methods also.
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amother
Hosta


 

Post Tue, Jul 05 2022, 7:47 am
amother [ Cinnamon ] wrote:
I guess that’s just one of the many differences between social work school and a coaching course.

Um, take a look at the rates of some of the more in-demand social workers
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amother
Cyan


 

Post Tue, Jul 05 2022, 8:05 am
Not_in_my_town wrote:
I think it depends on how much in demand a person's services are. Rabbi Friedman, for instance, is a very unique person with crystal clear thinking and proven methods. And he's a kind, gentle human being who really loves Hashem. People all over the world are clamoring to speak to him. How can he choose who needs to speak to him more? I think that high fees are a way to filter out those who have decided that they absolutely MUST speak to him.

When a person is seriously ill, is medication too pricey, or do they get it no matter what?

Same thing. If a person doesn't NEED his services, they won't be ready to pay the price. Someone who really NEEDS it will find a way.


I say this in the nicest way possible, I don’t think your adulation of him is healthy. I think you’re being very blinded based on your posts.
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amother
Cinnamon


 

Post Tue, Jul 05 2022, 11:48 am
amother [ Hosta ] wrote:
Um, take a look at the rates of some of the more in-demand social workers

Yes but that’s not looked upon admirably in social work school.
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amother
Gray


 

Post Tue, Jul 05 2022, 12:30 pm
"Coach" is a vague and ridiculous term. It means absolutely nothing. You dont need a training course, licensing, or any education or supervision minimums. Anyone can be a coach. These schools can teach whatever they want there is no oversight.
Guess what? My 6 year old is now a coach. Because I created a school yesterday and printed off her certificate this morning. My 4 year old neighbors kid got it without even signing up for a course- he is "that advanced".
They dont need to protect your confidentiality. There are no legal or ethical guidelines. They can say they specialize in anything because it is meaningless and no one can call them out on it And no licensing boards to punish the bad apples.

Anyone charging that much cannot provide services to match their price. Especially if they have no actual qualifications.
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amother
Seagreen


 

Post Tue, Jul 05 2022, 12:58 pm
I know this is about coaches but just want to address the general sentiment on this thread.

Why is it that people who choose to embark on a career helping people also have to make less money? There are coaches/therapists at every price range — everyone can get access to a free therapist at a clinic if they desire. I don’t think you can say “it’s not nice to charge a lot if you’re in a helping profession” — that’s just a deterrent for people to go into these professions, and we want more ppl in them, not fewer.

I believe it’s none of our business to dictate what other people should charge for things — you just get decide if you can afford it and if you want it enough.

Yes, YOU want this specific coach or therapist to be cheaper, so you’re wishing that it could be that way. That doesn’t mean you should shame people who can charge more for their very in-demand services. Don’t like it? Become a coach yourself.
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amother
Blueberry


 

Post Tue, Jul 05 2022, 1:10 pm
amother [ Seagreen ] wrote:
I know this is about coaches but just want to address the general sentiment on this thread.

Why is it that people who choose to embark on a career helping people also have to make less money? There are coaches/therapists at every price range — everyone can get access to a free therapist at a clinic if they desire. I don’t think you can say “it’s not nice to charge a lot if you’re in a helping profession” — that’s just a deterrent for people to go into these professions, and we want more ppl in them, not fewer.

I believe it’s none of our business to dictate what other people should charge for things — you just get decide if you can afford it and if you want it enough.

Yes, YOU want this specific coach or therapist to be cheaper, so you’re wishing that it could be that way. That doesn’t mean you should shame people who can charge more for their very in-demand services. Don’t like it? Become a coach yourself.


Most professions don't make $500 an hour. I would say the same for a speech therapist, ot , pt, or tutor charging that much. Obviously anyone can charge what they like. It's a free world. But it doesn't sit well with me with charging such a hefty sum to someone in a bad circumstance when you can't even guarantee good results. Feel free to disagree with me. That's my opinion.
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amother
Cinnamon


 

Post Tue, Jul 05 2022, 1:28 pm
amother [ Blueberry ] wrote:
Most professions don't make $500 an hour. I would say the same for a speech therapist, ot , pt, or tutor charging that much. Obviously anyone can charge what they like. It's a free world. But it doesn't sit well with me with charging such a hefty sum to someone in a bad circumstance when you can't even guarantee good results. Feel free to disagree with me. That's my opinion.

As a licensed clinical social worker with 10+ years experience who charges about a quarter of that, I completely agree.
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mha3484




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Jul 05 2022, 1:36 pm
To add to Blueberry, the few professions that can charge that much like certain types of lawyers or doctors can show you the cases they have won or how many times they have treated your particular disease and you can research these people get references etc.

I feel like therapy or coaching is too personal and too subjective to really know when you sign up if this person will help you. So it becomes a really expensive guessing game.
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amother
Arcticblue


 

Post Tue, Jul 05 2022, 2:11 pm
amother [ Seagreen ] wrote:
I know this is about coaches but just want to address the general sentiment on this thread.

Why is it that people who choose to embark on a career helping people also have to make less money? There are coaches/therapists at every price range — everyone can get access to a free therapist at a clinic if they desire. I don’t think you can say “it’s not nice to charge a lot if you’re in a helping profession” — that’s just a deterrent for people to go into these professions, and we want more ppl in them, not fewer.

I believe it’s none of our business to dictate what other people should charge for things — you just get decide if you can afford it and if you want it enough.

Yes, YOU want this specific coach or therapist to be cheaper, so you’re wishing that it could be that way. That doesn’t mean you should shame people who can charge more for their very in-demand services. Don’t like it? Become a coach yourself.


no not everyone can get free therapy at a clinic. people with Medicaid can. not everyone. sorry. big pet peeves of mine
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amother
NeonBlue


 

Post Tue, Jul 05 2022, 2:16 pm
amother [ Cyan ] wrote:
I say this in the nicest way possible, I don’t think your adulation of him is healthy. I think you’re being very blinded based on your posts.


Particularly have in mind that reconciliation makes his success rate higher, which can make him a little biased when it isn’t to your benefit.
Keep your eyes open about what you are getting out of it, and not just what works for everyone else.
Reasons and clarifications are nice, but what is your end goal and are the other people heading that direction?
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Not_in_my_town




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Jul 05 2022, 2:26 pm
amother [ Cyan ] wrote:
I say this in the nicest way possible, I don’t think your adulation of him is healthy. I think you’re being very blinded based on your posts.


Thank you, but that is just your opinion.

I'm fully aware that he's a human being with flaws, but his advice has saved my husband from going off the derech, has literally helped turn my husband into a new kinder, caring person, given me a deeper understanding in human nature... He's given us structure in insight in a way that no one ever could. He unified our family and gave us a zest for life and Yiddishkeit.

Is he G-d? No. Is he Moshiach? Doubt it. Is he a tzadik? Probably not, but I don't know.

His advice works for my family. And that is worth whatever it costs.

You don't like it? No problem. Don't consult with him.

But I'll pay for what actually works.
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amother
Denim


 

Post Tue, Jul 05 2022, 2:32 pm
amother [ Blueberry ] wrote:
Most professions don't make $500 an hour. I would say the same for a speech therapist, ot , pt, or tutor charging that much. Obviously anyone can charge what they like. It's a free world. But it doesn't sit well with me with charging such a hefty sum to someone in a bad circumstance when you can't even guarantee good results. Feel free to disagree with me. That's my opinion.


I totally agree.
Doctors performing open heart surgery make about $120/hour. Pilots (who have caused almost all the current airport delays) make about $30 - $50 per hour. These are trained professionals with 1000s of hours experience, holding the responsibility of the lives of others.
A coach who is in high demand is literally charging whatever they want because desperate people are willing to pay. They have no one to answer to so they can get away with it.
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amother
Bone


 

Post Tue, Jul 05 2022, 2:50 pm
Have zero experience or connection to the field. No skin in the game. I actually work in a very evidence based scientific career and that is my frame of reference.
But I don’t understand this idea of charging a fortune to be shameful and that they “get away with it” as if they are wrong.
As long as fees are upfront and transparent, no one is cheating or pulling a fast one on anyone. It is the customer’s choice to use a coach and pay the fees or not. If no one thought this was worthwhile, no one would get away with charging these prices.
And really, how is this any different that a niche photographer, party planner, shaddchan…
There are just certain specific professions and specialties that work this way and it is what it is.
Take it or leave it.
But why is it immoral for someone very talented in this area to charge what the market will sustain? (And guess what, there ARE certain oncologists, speech therapists, rehab specialists who only take cash/refuse to deal with insurance and charge crippling fees as well).
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amother
Eggplant


 

Post Tue, Jul 05 2022, 3:44 pm
Not_in_my_town wrote:
Thank you, but that is just your opinion.

I'm fully aware that he's a human being with flaws, but his advice has saved my husband from going off the derech, has literally helped turn my husband into a new kinder, caring person, given me a deeper understanding in human nature... He's given us structure in insight in a way that no one ever could. He unified our family and gave us a zest for life and Yiddishkeit.

Is he G-d? No. Is he Moshiach? Doubt it. Is he a tzadik? Probably not, but I don't know.

His advice works for my family. And that is worth whatever it costs.

You don't like it? No problem. Don't consult with him.

But I'll pay for what actually works.


I agree with amother cyan.

A month ago, after your husband violently assaulted you, you had clarity and were ready to leave your marriage.
Your husband was on board, too. However a Rav convinced him, against what both of you wanted, to give it another chance.
Same rav by any chance?

Since the you have been posting Long rosy messages about how rosy everything is.

Change needs to be lasting before you can actually call it change.

The whole situation doesn't sound stable.

Wishing you real long term healing.
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