Since Diana, no circumcision of male Royals? Why?

Mevater

Fri, Sep 09 2022, 12:43 pm

Since Diana, no circumcision of male Royals? Why? Was the Queen ok with breaking hundreds years old traditions?

https://www.algemeiner.com/201.....ohel/

Britain Wonders if Baby Prince Will be Circumcised; Prince Charles Snipped by Royal Mohel

British royal watchers continued aflutter on Wednesday as speculation mounted about the possibility that the baby prince would follow the tradition of his ancestors, and be circumcised within the week.

While the custom of royal circumcision has a centuries long history in Britain, Princess Diana is believed to have ended the tradition with Princes William and Harry, according to the London Evening Standard, leaving uncertainty as to whether the religious rite will be re-instated for the new generation.

Circumcision for members of the royal family in England dates back to King George I, who introduced the custom. Queen Victoria traced the British royal family’s tree back to ancient Israel’s King David, and insisted that her sons be circumcised along the lines of Jewish tradition, which calls for foreskin to be snipped on the eighth day after birth.

Edward VII, the Duke of Windsor and Prince Charles all had their foreskins removed, the latter by Jacob Snowman GP, at Buckingham Palace in 1948. Charles’ brothers Andrew and Edward were also snipped.

According to Anthony Holden’s biography of Prince Charles, cited by the Evening Standard, Jacob Snowman was summoned to the palace five days after Charles’s christening. Snowman was a mohel, a religious circumcision specialist, from London’s Jewish community, and he was chosen over the royal physician to perform the ritual.

Maurice Levenson, Secretary of the UK’s Initiation Society, told The Algemeiner that Dr. Snowman, who died in 1959, was Medical Officer of the Initiation Society for 27 years and was highly regarded as a surgeon-Mohel, and his responsibility for Prince Charles’s circumcision was well known in the community. Dr. Snowman’s son, Dr Leonard Snowman, also served as Medical Officer of the Society.

“Brit Milah is the Jewish religious ceremony that incorporates the surgical procedure and various prayers for the well-being and future success of the newborn, and the custom is that Jewish babies are given their names during the ceremony. I would imagine that the ‘religious’ aspect would have been omitted in the case of the Royal Family when the operation was carried out,” Levenson said.

The Initiation Society was established in 1745 to provide training for practitioners of circumcision in the Jewish Community and to ensure that every Jewish family in the UK could access the services of a Mohel regardless of their personal circumstances. In cases of need the Society also provided financial assistance to the families at the time a baby was born. The Society continues to this day training, authorizing and regulating Mohelim for the Jewish Community. It is the only regulatory body in the UK for Mohelim.

Although the rite was considered of vital importance over the past two centuries, Princess Diana was not interested, and royal watchers believe she decided not to have her son’s circumcised.

Royal biographer Hugo Vickers told the Evening Standard: “It’s largely a question of medical fashion. In my day they did. By 1980/2000 they didn’t.”

Java

Fri, Sep 09 2022, 12:51 pm

Well, this isn't a weird topic to speculate on...

Beautiful

Fri, Sep 09 2022, 12:53 pm

They say Prince William had it done as an adult.

NotInNJMommy

Fri, Sep 09 2022, 12:55 pm

FWIW, I wouldn't circumcise my son(s) if it weren't a mitzvah. (and I'm very pro-bris milah as a mitzvah, don't get me wrong, but objectively, I wouldn't cut off part of my child's body made by Hashem completely healthy if it weren't for Hashem commanding it!)

ddmom

Fri, Sep 09 2022, 12:58 pm

I personally don't care one way or another wether they do or don't circumcise!! LOL

Op why do you care?

Java

Fri, Sep 09 2022, 1:01 pm

ddmom wrote:

I personally don't care one way or another wether they do or don't circumcise!! LOL

Op why do you care?

I know... I mean if you want to know how the queen died, okay. This is a little weirder though.
I personally could have lived my life without my brain needing to think about the circumcision of the male royals. Thanks though

#BestBubby

Fri, Sep 09 2022, 2:52 pm

Because Leftists want to ban bris milah, so they are calling it barbaric.

chanatron1000

Fri, Sep 09 2022, 3:01 pm

Non-Jews don't have to.

skyeblue

Fri, Sep 09 2022, 3:05 pm

In fact, could be non-Jews are prohibited to cut off a part of their body, since it's not a mitzvah for them.

Java

Fri, Sep 09 2022, 3:26 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

Because Leftists want to ban bris milah, so they are calling it barbaric.

As long as they leave space for religious exceptions, I have no problem with this. I don't disagree, actually.

Elfrida

Sat, Sep 10 2022, 1:52 pm

My father had the same mohel as Prince Charles.

DrMom

Sat, Sep 10 2022, 2:54 pm

Oy, TMI

Chickensoupprof

Sat, Sep 10 2022, 5:12 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

Because Leftists want to ban bris milah, so they are calling it barbaric.

It's quite wonderful how you bring your hatred against leftist in every topic... I wonder how you buy your groceries.

Chickensoupprof

Sat, Sep 10 2022, 5:15 pm

Also really, really... WHY do people care what the British Royals have between their legs?

shyner

Sat, Sep 10 2022, 5:31 pm

Chickensoupprof wrote:

Also really, really... WHY do people care what the British Royals have between their legs?

I think the interesting thing is that they used a Jewish mohel rather than the royal physician to perform the circumcision. I also recently heard this and found it quite interesting.

sequoia

Sat, Sep 10 2022, 5:56 pm

shyner wrote:

I think the interesting thing is that they used a Jewish mohel rather than the royal physician to perform the circumcision. I also recently heard this and found it quite interesting.

Well, that actually makes sense. Mohels have more experience.

Mevater

Sun, Sep 11 2022, 7:49 pm

Chickensoupprof wrote:

Also really, really... WHY do people care what the British Royals have between their legs?

I believe I read that it was done back in the 1700s because someone in the royal family felt they came from King David, and it became a tradition.

Then comes Diana, and POOF!

Its not the between the legs thing, its why did Lady Di break with a 200+ y.o. traddition?

keym

Sun, Sep 11 2022, 8:34 pm

Mevater wrote:

The same reason she broke with tradition in a lot of ways.

Her relationship with her children
Her charity work, especially with people suffering from AIDS
Her interviews

She was a modern woman who tried as much as possible to publicly and obviously march to her own beat and change tradition.

Circumcision was just one more thing.

Ema of 5

Sun, Sep 11 2022, 9:33 pm

(Who had a baby?)
Edit: I clicked on the article, figuring maybe I would get an answer. It’s from 2013!!! Why is this suddenly making Ima news now?