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Kiwi13

Sat, Nov 26 2022, 4:17 pm

Do they automatically assume you are? Or do you have to specifically sign up like in America?

Rappel

Sat, Nov 26 2022, 4:22 pm

You would have to sign up to do any level of organ donation in Israel. Why?

Kiwi13

Sat, Nov 26 2022, 4:38 pm

Because I made Aliyah and don't know the rules here and I spend so much time in hospitals I might as well know the rules. Kind of an important thing.

Elfrida

Sat, Nov 26 2022, 4:46 pm

If you want to donate, you can get a כרטיס אדי, which gives permission for use of your organs after death. I don't remember what it's called, but there is another version which specifies that a Rav should involved to confirm halachic death before any organs are removed. I don't remember much about the details. It's just a half remembered class from nursing school.

essie14

Sat, Nov 26 2022, 11:59 pm

TravelHearter

Sun, Nov 27 2022, 12:25 am

Ask an LOR before signing that after death (after 120 IYH) you want your organs donated.
Unless I'm wrong, one is supposed to be buried with their body the way it was when they died. So unless they donated a kidney etc during their lifetime, everything should be in there:)

essie14

Sun, Nov 27 2022, 1:01 am

TravelHearter wrote:

Please read the website I posted above. Many many rabbis endorse this.
It's 100% halachically allowed.

WitchKitty

Sun, Nov 27 2022, 1:54 am

It's not 100% in any case. Some endorse it because saving a life comes before preserving a dead body.. Whatever, that's not the point of the thread.
If you mean after death, you need to sign up, yes.

essie14

Sun, Nov 27 2022, 2:49 am

https://hods.org/about-hods/orthodox-rabbis/

chanchy123

Sun, Nov 27 2022, 5:26 am

You can sign the Edi card and tick with rabbabinic council. Or like most people I know do, just let your family know you’d be interested to donate - doctors will approach the immediate family if it’s necessary unfortunately and ask.
Many people do donate.

Kiwi13

Sun, Nov 27 2022, 5:36 am

I would think if the Torah allows for being a recipient it would also for being a donor. After all, recipients receive from donors...

Kiwi13

Sun, Nov 27 2022, 5:37 am

My main hesitation is what if a donated organ goes to a recipient who, when they pass away, doesn't have a kosher burial? Does that affect me in any way?

Reality

Sun, Nov 27 2022, 5:45 am

Kiwi13 wrote:

I would think if the Torah allows for being a recipient it would also for being a donor. After all, recipients receive from donors...

Halacha is not tit for tat.

Because even if a frum person refuses to receive one, it won't make the other person not donate their organ. They'll just go on to the next person on the list. Therefore, since it won't stop the aveirah from happening, a person who holds it is a halachic problem to donate can receive.

The optics aren't great though.

essie14

Sun, Nov 27 2022, 5:56 am

Reality wrote:

Aveira?
What are you talking about?

Reality

Sun, Nov 27 2022, 6:09 am

essie14 wrote:

Aveira?
What are you talking about?

Sorry, should have been clearer.

The aveirah is taking an organ from a body that is still halachicly alive. Many poskim say you cannot count brain dead as dead. So for a heart transplant, for example, they need to remove it while the heart is still beating. That is a halachic murder. That is an aveirah.

But if a person refuses to take that heart, it won't stop that from happening. The donor will still donate. They don't care who they are giving it to. So if ones actions won't have any affect whether the halachic murder will take place or not, a person is allowed to benefit from it.

essie14

Sun, Nov 27 2022, 6:21 am

There's no aveira.

https://www.adi.gov.il/en/posi.....acha/

Quote:

The law is authorized by Halacha
In September 2009, the Chief Rabbinate, led by the Rishon LeZion, Rabbi Shlomo Amar, and by the Chief Rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Yona Metzger, confirmed the fact that the Brain-Respiratory Death Law is in accordance with Halacha; and consequently, that it was unreservedly possible to implement the 1986 ruling of the Rabbinate, which permitted organ donation on condition that death be established according to Halacha.
It can be concluded that brain-respiratory death is being established nowadays by a meticulous process, in compliance with the procedure of the Ministry of Health – Circular of the General Director, carried out by two specialist physicians that have undergone special qualification, and after a test executed by means of machine has shown an absence of brain activity, under the Brain-Respiratory Death Law, and in full compliance with the requirements of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and of the Halacha.
Moreover, by means of the donor card, it is possible to stipulate that the donation be conditional upon the authorization of a clergyman at the request of the family.

WitchKitty

Sun, Nov 27 2022, 6:32 am

Many rabbanim only allow receiving heart transplants from non-Jews.
Other transplants are less of a problem.
Rabbi Akiva Tatz has some fascinating speeches about this topic. It's very not clear cut.
https://akivatatz.com/category.....acha/

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Reality

Sun, Nov 27 2022, 6:32 am

essie14 wrote:

There's no aveira.

https://www.adi.gov.il/en/posi.....acha/

Quote:

Many Rabbanim do not agree with this ruling. For their followers, it is an aveirah. Yet they are halachicly allowed to receive. I will repeat the optics are not good.

chanchy123

Sun, Nov 27 2022, 7:57 am

Kiwi13 wrote:

My main hesitation is what if a donated organ goes to a recipient who, when they pass away, doesn't have a kosher burial? Does that affect me in any way?

I would suggest you consult your LOR to understand if this is even necessary, but in Israel most probably the organs will be donated to a Jewish person who will have a proper Jewish burial.

Kiwi13

Sun, Nov 27 2022, 8:37 am

Thanks.

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