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WitchKitty
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 Mon, Jan 23 2023, 2:28 am
For a while, I saved my receipts, and only threw out what was paid back. Everything I bought for shabbos was calculated, and I actually saw how every single shekel was returned. Hashem pays it back is literal.
I like reading in the gemara about what people did for shabbos.. I like reading how shammai found better meat every day. I try to forget about price when it comes to shabbos. It's not as easy as you think.. being so calculating the rest of the week and just forgetting about it and trusting the money will be returned..
I grew up with that emunah, my parents used to hand us kids each a 10 shekel coin (worth more then  ) and send us to the store Friday to buy whatever we want.
I read an article in a magazine this week about someone who built a 'shabbos suite' extension to the apartment. The family did not have much money, and the article actually detailed each part of the table- plates, tablecloth, etc.- how they got it.
Their apartment is simple and poor, but the shabbos room- there were pictures- is beautiful. They put in a kitchenette, bookshelves, a couch, a/c... All locked up during the week and opened for shabbos.
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Reality
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Mon, Jan 23 2023, 5:53 am
| amother OP wrote: | What does that mean?
Should one buy caviar at $500/lb as opposed to a loaf of gefilta fish?
Does one buy the most expensive cut of meat as opposed to finding a great recipe for what is on sale that week -or buying in advance when something is on sale?
I understand the concept of nice for Shabbos; saving the best /special for Shabbos, doing the extra work and bringing your creative A game for Shabbos. But what is meant by Hashem pays it back? I feel like it is an excuse to be fiscally irresponsible. Chulent exists because it stretched the small piece of meat for a large family (and enabled hot food on a cold Polish day). |
It means buy and save YOUR nicest for shabbos. What is the nicest is subjective. What one spends depends on how people budget. I have yet to meet the person who uses buying food for shabbos as their excuse for fiscal irresponsibility. Irresponsible people are irresponsible in many ways. Their shabbos shopping is the least of their problems!
As for cholent, your attitude continues to be quite negative. Cholent doesn't exist because of cold Polish winters and poor Jews. All Jews have the minhag to eat a hot stew shabbos lunch, regardless of wealth. It's considered a sign of being a Jew who believes in Torah she'baal peh, as opposed to other sects throughout history that only believed in the Torah she'bictav. Like the karaim (karites), for example. Yes, wealthy sefardic Jews served Chamim and other varieties of "cholent".
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Mon, Jan 23 2023, 9:37 am
| WitchKitty wrote: | For a while, I saved my receipts, and only threw out what was paid back. Everything I bought for shabbos was calculated, and I actually saw how every single shekel was returned. Hashem pays it back is literal.
I like reading in the gemara about what people did for shabbos.. I like reading how shammai found better meat every day. I try to forget about price when it comes to shabbos. It's not as easy as you think.. being so calculating the rest of the week and just forgetting about it and trusting the money will be returned..
I grew up with that emunah, my parents used to hand us kids each a 10 shekel coin (worth more then ) and send us to the store Friday to buy whatever we want.
I read an article in a magazine this week about someone who built a 'shabbos suite' extension to the apartment. The family did not have much money, and the article actually detailed each part of the table- plates, tablecloth, etc.- how they got it.
Their apartment is simple and poor, but the shabbos room- there were pictures- is beautiful. They put in a kitchenette, bookshelves, a couch, a/c... All locked up during the week and opened for shabbos. |
I’d like to read that article. What magazine was it in? It sounds lovely. A link if they have it online would be great. Thanks.
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Mon, Jan 23 2023, 3:49 pm
I also have a hard time with this concept. I don't understand where to draw the line.
I can buy, anything, like really anything and say its for shabbos and it will be paid back?
$30/lb steak, $10 per pop ices, $150 bottles of wine/shnapps, expensive paper goods, drinks, dips, salads, cake and challah? All of them? Some of them? Not such crazy expensive ones? So where do I draw the line?
Also, is it really lkavod shabbos, or is it lkavod my personal enjoyement/convenience, with shabbos as an excuse? It feel so fake sometimes.
Not saying its not real, I just haven't found answers yet.
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Mon, Jan 23 2023, 4:06 pm
| WitchKitty wrote: | For a while, I saved my receipts, and only threw out what was paid back. Everything I bought for shabbos was calculated, and I actually saw how every single shekel was returned. Hashem pays it back is literal.
I like reading in the gemara about what people did for shabbos.. I like reading how shammai found better meat every day. I try to forget about price when it comes to shabbos. It's not as easy as you think.. being so calculating the rest of the week and just forgetting about it and trusting the money will be returned..
I grew up with that emunah, my parents used to hand us kids each a 10 shekel coin (worth more then ) and send us to the store Friday to buy whatever we want.
I read an article in a magazine this week about someone who built a 'shabbos suite' extension to the apartment. The family did not have much money, and the article actually detailed each part of the table- plates, tablecloth, etc.- how they got it.
Their apartment is simple and poor, but the shabbos room- there were pictures- is beautiful. They put in a kitchenette, bookshelves, a couch, a/c... All locked up during the week and opened for shabbos. |
I don’t think it’s a good idea to check and see if every penny is paid back because I’m sure it’s not always immediate.
That’s where emunah should come in. Don’t look to get the reward right away
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WitchKitty
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Mon, Jan 23 2023, 4:17 pm
| amother Nemesia wrote: | I don’t think it’s a good idea to check and see if every penny is paid back because I’m sure it’s not always immediate.
That’s where emunah should come in. Don’t look to get the reward right away |
Well, it works.
So why not do it?
Why would I need blind belief if for months of tracking everything, every penny was returned?
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