Home
Log in / Sign Up
    Private Messages   Rules   New User Guide   FAQ   Advertise   Contact Us  
Forum -> Shopping
Found money...



Post new topic   Reply to topic View latest: 24h 48h 72h

amother
OP  


 

Post Wed, Aug 28 2024, 6:25 pm
I know this is the wrong forum. But I'm at a loss for where or how else...

We were loaded and waiting to exit american dream. A few of my kids ran back up to use the bathroom. I saw a couple frum girls, one with a distinctive fanny pack type of thing, and I saw something fall from her bag. It looked like trash and I thought, I hope she picks it up but I wasn't watching. My kids came down and found money right on that spot. Halachikally they were told they can keep it, but being that it very likely was hers my son would like to return it. If your daughter lost money, please pm me with the following simanim:

1, was she going in or out of the mall when she lost it?
2, color of fanny pack?
3, denomination(s) of the money.

Thanks!!
Back to top

amother
Brass


 

Post Wed, Aug 28 2024, 6:28 pm
I hope you find the owner. Hatzlocho!
Back to top

amother
Obsidian


 

Post Wed, Aug 28 2024, 6:50 pm
Can’t PM if you are anonymous. Idk girl just saying
Back to top

Cheiny




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Aug 28 2024, 7:47 pm
amother OP wrote:
I know this is the wrong forum. But I'm at a loss for where or how else...

We were loaded and waiting to exit american dream. A few of my kids ran back up to use the bathroom. I saw a couple frum girls, one with a distinctive fanny pack type of thing, and I saw something fall from her bag. It looked like trash and I thought, I hope she picks it up but I wasn't watching. My kids came down and found money right on that spot. Halachikally they were told they can keep it, but being that it very likely was hers my son would like to return it. If your daughter lost money, please pm me with the following simanim:

1, was she going in or out of the mall when she lost it?
2, color of fanny pack?
3, denomination(s) of the money.

Thanks!!


You were told you could automatically keep it without making any public attempt to find the owner? I was told once that we had to put an ad out (Jewish publications do it for free). And only if after that, and a certain amount of time passed, were we allowed to keep it.
Back to top

amother
  OP  


 

Post Wed, Aug 28 2024, 7:49 pm
Cheiny wrote:
You were told you could automatically keep it without making any public attempt to find the owner? I was told once that we had to put an ad out (Jewish publications do it for free). And only if after that, and a certain amount of time passed, were we allowed to keep it.


Yes. My son's Rebbe told him money doesn't have simanim, especially when found in a public place, especially when that place is frequented mostly by non Jews.

(Sorry To those who don't like that, and think it's not pc. Please don't come at me, I'm not going to apologize for halacha.)
Back to top

amother
Magenta


 

Post Wed, Aug 28 2024, 7:50 pm
Cheiny wrote:
You were told you could automatically keep it without making any public attempt to find the owner? I was told once that we had to put an ad out (Jewish publications do it for free). And only if after that, and a certain amount of time passed, were we allowed to keep it.


Money by itself has no siman, so halachically it can be kept.
Back to top

cnc




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Aug 28 2024, 8:38 pm
amother OP wrote:
Yes. My son's Rebbe told him money doesn't have simanim, especially when found in a public place, especially when that place is frequented mostly by non Jews.

(Sorry To those who don't like that, and think it's not pc. Please don't come at me, I'm not going to apologize for halacha.)


But here you know that the girl was Jewish.
Back to top

amother
  OP  


 

Post Wed, Aug 28 2024, 8:48 pm
cnc wrote:
But here you know that the girl was Jewish.


No, there's a chance that what I saw drop out of her bag was in fact garbage that she picked up. Numerous other people passed by between her and my sons.
Back to top

amother
Azure


 

Post Wed, Aug 28 2024, 9:43 pm
cnc wrote:
But here you know that the girl was Jewish.


But there’s no proof that it’s actually hers. Op says it’s probable but not for sure.
Back to top

Molly Weasley




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Aug 28 2024, 11:17 pm
I love these real life halacha questions.

Either way, at a minimum, trying to give it back is definitely a nice thing to do.
Back to top

amother
  OP


 

Post Thu, Aug 29 2024, 10:41 am
Bumping just in case...
Back to top

patzer  




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Aug 29 2024, 12:50 pm
cnc wrote:
But here you know that the girl was Jewish.


I don't think that that's relevant here.
I remember hearing that the logic is that if someone loses an item in a public place where the majority of people passing through are non - Jews, the assumption is that the item will be found by a non - Jew who won't bother looking for the owner. Therefore, it's considered ownerless. The person who lost it will give up hope of ever retrieving it as soon as they discover it's lost.
Back to top

zaq




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Aug 29 2024, 5:45 pm
patzer wrote:
I don't think that that's relevant here.
I remember hearing that the logic is that if someone loses an item in a public place where the majority of people passing through are non - Jews, the assumption is that the item will be found by a non - Jew who won't bother looking for the owner. Therefore, it's considered ownerless. The person who lost it will give up hope of ever retrieving it as soon as they discover it's lost.


Yes, according to the letter of the law the money does not have to be returned, but there's such a thing as acting lifnim mishurat hadin, and this is considered a good trait. OP is trying to act lifnim mishurat hadin, why are people trying to discourage her? Her chances of success are slim, but how wonderful that she's trying.
Back to top

  patzer




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Aug 29 2024, 6:06 pm
zaq wrote:
Yes, according to the letter of the law the money does not have to be returned, but there's such a thing as acting lifnim mishurat hadin, and this is considered a good trait. OP is trying to act lifnim mishurat hadin, why are people trying to discourage her? Her chances of success are slim, but how wonderful that she's trying.


I agree. It's a wonderful trait when people are kind and generous, even when they're not required to do so by halacha.

If you were responding to my comment, Zaq, I think you misunderstood it. OP pointed out (responding to Cheiny) that, strictly speaking, she doesn't need to return it, since it was lost in an area where most people aren't Jewish. Cnc then responded that the person who lost the money was Jewish. My comment was a direct response to Cnc; I pointed out that it's the fact that most people in the area aren't Jewish that makes a difference, rather than the identity of the person who lost the money.
Of course, if she does find the person who lost the money, it would be a beautiful mitzva to return it.
Back to top

amother
Lily


 

Post Thu, Aug 29 2024, 6:08 pm
zaq wrote:
Yes, according to the letter of the law the money does not have to be returned, but there's such a thing as acting lifnim mishurat hadin, and this is considered a good trait. OP is trying to act lifnim mishurat hadin, why are people trying to discourage her? Her chances of success are slim, but how wonderful that she's trying.


Yeah, this!
Back to top
Page 1 of 1 Recent Topics




Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum -> Shopping

Related Topics Replies Last Post
If I had the money I’d give it to SAHM
by amother
34 Today at 3:23 pm View last post
How would you handle this money
by amother
35 Thu, Oct 10 2024, 9:59 pm View last post
Desperately need an idea how to make money from home
by amother
2 Sun, Oct 06 2024, 12:35 am View last post
No money for yom tov
by amother
147 Sat, Oct 05 2024, 10:45 pm View last post
Do you give maaser from gov money?
by amother
8 Tue, Sep 24 2024, 8:14 am View last post