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kermit the frog

Wed, Feb 11 2009, 11:12 am

I think if you'll eventually be here for 6 months but arent at the time you give birth, you give the hospital a post-dated check for the amount of the hosp. stay (I've heard diff things, some say 10k shekel?) and then once you get onto Bituach leumi, they reimburse you for that. dagan took care of us, got us onto meuchedet right when we came and walked us though the bituach leumi process. its def worth the $600. pm me for details or if you'd like his #

shabri

Wed, Feb 11 2009, 12:00 pm

Just be careful with Dagan. I'm not sure if what he does to get you on faster is 100% legal. DH wouldn't use him for that reason. What we did was pay for meuchedet for the first 6 months and then go on bituach leumi legally. Once you get on BL, they will reimburse you for what you paid.

Also if you have to give birth during that time like KTF said, just give the hospital a post dated check and once BL kicks in, they pay the bill

FloridaMama

Wed, Feb 11 2009, 12:12 pm

From what I've heard, certain doctors will treat patients differently when they're going private or going through the kuppah. ex: Dr. Pollak sees patients both through Meuchedet and privately.

Perhaps those posting experiences could be specific about their situation in order to give a full picture.

newmommy22

Wed, Feb 11 2009, 1:29 pm

I used Dr. Roznick in Geulah and I was very happy with him, but I dont like that he is only in on Sunday and Friday so if you have a problem any other day of the week you have to go to Haturim, but thats the case with a lot of doctors here. What I would do is go private with him the first time and get his cell number so that you can contact him if you have any problems and then switch to the Meuchedet office in Geulah for the rest of the visits.
I used Dagan because I gave birth before I was here 6 months. [b]I dont think it pays. [/b] I dont think he really did anything for me, that I couldn't have done myself. If you dont go through Dagan you end up retroactively getting back all the money you paid to be on Meuchedet once you get onto Bituach Leumi. If you go through Dagan he takes care of getting you on Meuchedet but you never get back any money. Bituach Leumi will also retroactively cover the hospital birth. If you give birth in Shaarei Tzedeck or Bikur Cholim you can give them a postdated check until you get on Bituach Leumi. The Haddassah Hospitals want the money before they discharge you but then Bituach Leumi will refund it to you.

lehavdil

Sun, Feb 15 2009, 5:25 am

Anyone know who the best OBs are for high-risk pregnancy?

How about a Doula who is good for high risk and will be supportive if you know you want an epidural?

Thanks!

Health is a Virture

Sun, Feb 15 2009, 6:25 am

pgk wrote:

I was really happy with Pinelis - no trouble getting appointments, all the time in the world, total non-alarmist. At the same time he's not very technical in his office in town (no scale - I was never weighed!) I think things may be different in the Pisgat Ze'ev office, so you have to find out if this is important to you. I spoke to my insurance broker when I was looking for a doctor and she told me that no one has heard of him (he was pretty new in town then) but she (who unfortunately had lots of opportunities to visit doctors) was very impressed by him. I was very impressed with him too.

I LOVE DR PINELIS, and though I live in Bet shemesh plan to go back to him for my next appointment. For him, it is worth the schlep. Ironically, when I went to him in the office "in town" he did weigh me and at the pisgat zeev never weighed me. I think he would only weigh if he felt there was a need to do so.

he is an amazing, amazing doctor. (I have heard from professional people) I know someone who had trouble having children and he was excellent at helping her have a few children.

He's more laid back, but he may be worrying for you and not telling you. For example if there is nothing you can do about something then he won't be an alarmist. And yet, if there is something wrong, he will do something about it and not ignore it. he will take the precautionary steps necessary for you, for example send you for an extra ultrasound, monitoring, etc. But he doesn't do extra "just in case."

he looks at the whole picture and doesn't send you for extra tests that are not needed.

His bedside manner is superb. He doesn't sit and chit-chat. you never know quite what he is thinking. Like, so he is sending me for ultrasounds should I worry, etc. But, don't worry, he is supposed to be so sound in the medical world that I don't second guess when he sends me.

An amazing thing, I think THE best thing about him and many many doctors do not have this is that he asks you how you are feeling, how you feel the baby, do you feel it's growing, etc, and he actually LISTENS!!! he is not just asking for polite bedside manner and that's what they learn in school, but he is asking because only YOU can say how you feel and what you think.

An ultrasound can only tell you so much. But if you don't feel right then often that can tell you a whole lot more.

He cares about the woman as a woman. When my blood pressure was low, he didn't just ignore it because technically it is not a medical risk to the baby. he told me what to do. he told me that was why I was nauseaus and what to do to when I felt like my blood pressure was low. He actually gave my body credit for knowing when it didn't feel right. Sounds crazy, but so many doctors just don't think the woman has any sense at all.

in addition, if one would need to use a doctor privately he is supposed to be a phenomenal doctor to use. he is very pro-natural (used to work at misgav l'dach), and from what I Understand he and Dr. pollack created a certain kind of cut to do a c-section that heals very well. But, he won't jump to do a c-section. He is pro-natural. the negative is that he only works at bikur cholim privately. I have heard that he won't work at any of the hospitals in yerushalayim because he doesn't like the way they treat the women.

it's very easy to make appointments with him, and if it's an emergency he will see you as soon as possible (that day, next day). it used to be that you couldn't make appts with him through *3833 and had to call him. But you can call his cell phone even and ask him medical advice. he will listen to you and care about you.

he looks at the whole picture and looks at you as a person.

Health is a Virture

Sun, Feb 15 2009, 10:55 am

buzzinmom wrote:

well u van do it retroactively...and I have this guy named dagan that may be able to get you on...but her charges for his services--like 600 dollars

DO NOT DO THIS. IT IS NOT A YASHAR METHOD AND IS SO PRICEY THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHATSOEVER TO DO IT???????????!!! once you have been here a year then you can go to bituach leumi and retroactively get the money back. DO NOT DO THE DAGAN THING. the hospital bill itself is less than 600 dollars I believe. Do you have any insurance from another country?

livinginisrael

Sun, Feb 15 2009, 11:14 am

I have blue cross insurance in america, how much does the hospital cost?how can I get the money back from bituach liumi, and also how would insurance in america help?

cubbie

Sun, Feb 15 2009, 11:52 am

I have used Dr Roznek and am more than happy with him, I have seen him many times on days other than Sunday and Friday, but I am considered a high-risk case, he has been available on the phone 24hours with me and if he is unable to talk when I call he will get a message back to me within minutes of exactly when he can talk, even if it's just a 5 minute slot. He is an u/s specialist which is why he always does u/s. I am Maccabi not Meuchedet so if it's not urgent I'll see him on a Monday at Maccabi when he's there, but he's on other days seen me within 30 minutes of calling with a problem FOC. As I said I'm high-risk and he's been through both highs and lows with me and has proved very professional.

shabri

Sun, Feb 15 2009, 12:02 pm

livinginisrael wrote:

I have blue cross insurance in america, how much does the hospital cost?how can I get the money back from bituach liumi, and also how would insurance in america help?

Basically it depends what your status is. If you are here as a student (or a dependent of a student ie wife/child) then after you are here for 6 months you are entitled to get bituach liumi. It has to be 6 months from when you get a student visa which in itself could take a few months to get an appt.

What you have to do is get a student visa then be here 6 months (or 183 days I think. They don't have to be consecutive but it has to ba all the days. So if you go back for a visit those days doesn't count) then just go to bituach liumi, fill out the forms along with a bunch of other things you need (letter from husband's yeshiva, passports, marriage license etc) and a few weeks later you're on. Its a lot of paperwork but pretty smooth.

The Newcomer's guide has all the info, I suggest you get a hold of one.

Oh and once you are on BL, they reimburse you for your medical expenses in those 6 months

livinginisrael

Sun, Feb 15 2009, 12:08 pm

I have a student visa/ attached as wife/ and in august it will be about 6 months of being here with the visa, do you think I can get on bituach liumi by september since thats around when im due

Health is a Virture

Sun, Feb 15 2009, 1:35 pm

livinginisrael wrote:

I have blue cross insurance in america, how much does the hospital cost?how can I get the money back from bituach liumi, and also how would insurance in america help?

I don't know nowadays but if I remember correctly it cost around 2000 shekel for the entire hospital stay. The baby's hospital stay is 100% free, as your baby will automatically be covered under bituach leumi. I don't know how it works for bituach leumi to reimburse you, but I know that they do do it. It sounds like from what others wrote that you give a post dated check....I don't know, gotta ask people who have done it before.

insurance in America is helpful as you can always have the baby in America, or depending on your insurance, they may foot the bill, or at least a percentage of the bill.

Health is a Virture

Sun, Feb 15 2009, 1:36 pm

livinginisrael wrote:

I have blue cross insurance in america, how much does the hospital cost?how can I get the money back from bituach liumi, and also how would insurance in america help?

newmommy22

Sun, Feb 15 2009, 2:21 pm

The hospital stay costs about 12,000 shekel. I had my baby in September and got on Bituach Leumi in October. Bituach Leumi paid the hospital and then the hospital reimbursed me. It was slightly a hassle and my dh had to be very on top of it and call the hospital and Bituach Leumi several times, but in the end I got all 12k shekalim back.

shabri

Sun, Feb 15 2009, 3:23 pm

livinginisrael wrote:

I have a student visa/ attached as wife/ and in august it will be about 6 months of being here with the visa, do you think I can get on bituach liumi by september since thats around when im due

Around doesn't help. It has to be exactly 183 (I think thats the number but double check) of days in Israel since you got your visa. So if you are like me and got your visa 2 months later b/c you couldn't get your appt, then you have to count from then. Go to BL the next day and make sure that you have EVERYTHING that you need. They were nice to me and saw I was in my 9th month and I was on in abt a week, but it took DH a few weeks longer.

But don't stress, you can always do the post-dated check thing and then get reimbursed.

kermit the frog

Sun, Feb 15 2009, 3:26 pm

Health is a virtue, going through dagan is not - not yashar, he's like an insurance broker, you give him the cash, he gets you onto meuchedet (which others also do, for $$) and walks you through the BL process, and if you have a baby before you've been here for 6 months, he'll help you out with that also. he helps you with anything BL/kupat cholim related, and is totally not shady. quite a nice man. very learned as well.

chavamom

Sun, Feb 15 2009, 3:31 pm

miriamnechama wrote:

dr maayani.......women not so great.

I was majorly misdiagnosed by her TWICE. She "diagnosed" me with pre-eclampsia at 20 weeks of pregnancy, put me on medication - never did any lab work, made the "diagnosis" based on BP's from one day alone, dangerously lowered my BP with the medication ...... pure malpractice. Then I had the unfortunate experience of winding up in the ER when she was on and she told me my baby was dead. That "dead baby" is now 15 and sweeping the floor behind me as I type. So, yeah, "not so great" would be a bit of an understatement.

Health is a Virture

Mon, Feb 16 2009, 3:12 am

kermit the frog wrote:

don't be so naive. he himself has asked shaylos and he was told that he could do it. After we did it, we realized what he does and again I reiterate it is not 100% yashar. (most people don't realize what he does, close their eyes, I don't know, but it is very clear to us and the rav we asked what he does) We asked a shayla and were told under the circumstances and for our level we could do it, but that it really is not yashar. Since we personally weren't halachically doing anything wrong he said it was permissable. And now we realize that there really are other ways---retroactive. in addition, nowadays one can be on meuchedet without having bituach leumi nowadays also. The rav we asked new exactly what he does.

besides, there is absolutely no reason to do it, since you will get all the money back in the end.

Strawberry

Mon, Feb 16 2009, 3:49 am

Health is a Virture wrote:

kermit the frog wrote:

Mr. Dagan provides a service for people who recently moved to EY. For the first 6 months you have to pay for your own medical insurance (after 6 months bl pays). He does all the paperwork, makes you appointments and gets you on insurance right away. (This insurance does not include birth.) He will lay out the $$ for you if you give birth before 6 months. He tells you exactly what you need to bring to all appointments so that you dont get sent away empty handed for insufficient paperwork. People use him so that they dont have to deal with all the crazyness right whn they arrive.

We used him knowing that we could do all this on our own (why should it be not yashrus if I can do it myself but he will do it for me Confused

?) but chose to use Dagan because we had no time to do it ourselves. Mr Dagan SAVED us TIME and HASSLE. That is why we used him. Sure we could have done it ourselves but sometimes you get someone to do work you can do yourself because it is worth the money.

What is not yashur about that?????

Last edited by Strawberry on Wed, Feb 18 2009, 10:43 am; edited 1 time in total

shabri

Mon, Feb 16 2009, 4:41 am

Actually what I had heard was that he works for BL and if you pay him $600 he pulls some "strings" to get ppl on earlier. How is it yashar? thats why DH wouldn't use him

If the law is you have to be here 6 months before getting on, how can it be yashar for him to get you on beforehand?

Getting on both a kuppah and BL is pretty straight forward. Just get all the paperwork, go to the offices and do your thing.

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