Socialism vs. Democracy?

Clarissa

Sat, Nov 01 2008, 11:53 pm

Are you serious? You think I cared about the thesis of the wife of a presidential candidate? Sure, instead of reading Go Ask Alice and A Catcher in the Rye, all my friends were fighting over the chance to read Rosalynn Carter's senior thesis. Who the heck cares about any of this? Michelle Obama isn't even running for anything. I'd like to see Palin's school records for the humor value alone, but please, do you really care?
Anyway, we've got it here, as you could see on the other page. Please read it and report back to us about it, and don't leave anything out. I mean it, I would love to hear your analysis, now that your wish has come true:
http://www.politico.com/news/s......html

You can't possibly compare the right of a citizen to read perfectly acceptable books to having the right to read college papers of politicians' wives and husbands.

By the way, I loved Go Ask Alice when I was a teen, and of course, Catcher in the Rye was wonderful. Not as wonderful as Pat Nixon's paper on "Colonial Women and their Kitchens," but still worth reading.

Crayon210

Sun, Nov 02 2008, 12:04 am

Clarissa wrote:

Anyway, we've got it here, as you could see on the other page. Please read it and report back to us about it, and don't leave anything out. I mean it, I would love to hear your analysis, now that your wish has come true:
http://www.politico.com/news/s......html

So far, there are too many typos for this woman's husband to run the country! Grrr.

LOL

mugsisme

Sun, Nov 02 2008, 12:08 am

I worry we may find out.

I am not a Howard Stern fan. But my brother told me about this. He sent his guys out to Harlem to speak to Obama supporters. He asked a few questions. Like, Are you for Obama because he is Pro-Life or because he wants to keep the troops in Iraq until they finish the war? Or, if Obama wins, how do you feel about Sarah Palin being the vice president.

video here

I think I have mentioned this before. I was in Walmart, and two black guys were standing around talking. One says, "I'm voting for Obama because he is black." "Yeah, so am I" says the second. You think if he LOOKED like a white man instead of a black man, these guys would have been going as nuts about him?

Great bumper sticker seen around town:
If you vote for Obama, you get what you deserve.
The bad part is that if you vote for Obama *I* get what you deserve.

That is how I feel. We don't even make any where near the 120K roof they have now put on who is going to see no tax increase. I still feel I am going to suffer under him. I worry tremendously about the safety here. As you said on another thread, how many people are going to move. I have no tv, but I would like to move if he c'v wins.

Clarissa

Sun, Nov 02 2008, 12:20 am

Do you really think the man on the street who is voting for McCain in middle America has any idea about him or anything he stands for? Far scarier to me is that a woman who might be three steps from the presidency appeared in two interviews (with Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric) where she showed total ignorance about our government, the constitution, American history, the economy and about fifteen other subjects.

Feel free to ask any random person you meet (not a Cassandra type, mind you) about McCain's plan for anything.

I'm so sick of people here saying that anybody who doesn't agree with them is totally stupid. This is funny in light of the fact that I surround myself with people you would consider very bright, well-informed and well-educated, all of whom are voting for Obama.

Clarissa

Sun, Nov 02 2008, 12:21 am

Oh, and as far as this you vote for Obama, I get what you deserve, I think my entire country has been placed in danger because of what this moron has done in the White House for eight years. I didn't vote for him, where's my compensation? He's started wars, trashed the economy and permanently damaged the planet, and I promise you, that one isn't my fault. Did you vote for him?

I think any goofball that has a bumper sticker like that, should also have one that reads: I voted for Bush and I apologize!

mugsisme

Sun, Nov 02 2008, 12:32 am

I am not happy with Bush. BUT, there hasn't been another attack since then.

Yes, true that most people don't know what either one of these guys stand for. I have a friend who is voting for Obama because he looks better.

I really do not have time to debate any more. I gotta make my DD's birthday cake, and I am so tired.

Talk to you later (probably tomorrow after the party).

chavamom

Sun, Nov 02 2008, 12:32 am

Forget Howard Stern making the man on the street look like a donkey's behind, two Canadian comedians "punked" Palin. She didn't look much better (and considering that she's "a heartbeat away from the presidency, I'd say that's pretty scary). Have a listen here.

And no, I don't think I"m being "mean" - I wasn't going to post this at all until someone brought the deprave Howard Stern's mockery into it.

mugsisme

Sun, Nov 02 2008, 12:50 am

Glenn Beck did the same thing. I am NOT saying they are right. I just feel that the American people don't really understand what they are doing.

My aide at Hebrew school is a HUGE Obama supporter. She was able to very clearly explain to me why. I have no arguments against her, nor can I refute any of her problems with McCain. For example, one thing she sited to me is that McCain is too old. Fine. I understand that. Meanwhile, I see some of you posting here, and I don't understand why. If you can say to me, I like him because of x, y, and z, I would understand. Not agree, but maybe understand. I do admit that I haven't had time to fully explore all the threads on this subject, and if you have said, this is why, forgive me. But as I said at the start, I really trying to understand all this.

I really do feel that we are at crossroads. I find that for myself, I really do not trust what Obama says. Not because I am anti-Obama. But just because I find he tends to change him mind about things. I never liked McCain. He was not who I was going to vote for in the primaries. But this is all I got, and I have to work with it. Can you tell me that the words he listened to in church don't bother you? Don't throw up Palin, as she is not running for president. (Yeah, heartbeat, blah blah) I just really get upset when I hear that he sat in church for 20 years listening to this. He didn't want to wear the flag pin. He wears the flag pin. He likes his reverend. He is disassociating himself from him. He is friends with him again. Tax cuts for under $250. Under $200. Under $150. Under $120. Make up your mind. Is he going to pay for everyone's gas and pay for their mortgages or not? Is he going to get health care for every single American, or only the children?

OK, I gotta shut down the computer or I will be asleep when DD's friends show up for her party. G'night.

HindaRochel

Sun, Nov 02 2008, 12:56 am

Clarissa wrote:

Excellent question. Unlike most mayoral appointments, towns do not change librarians when there's a new administration. Where I grew up, the librarians stayed put for decades. And we kept all permissible books on the shelves, or there would have been a huge outcry from the townspeople.

In Wasilla the librarian is a political appointee. She was put into position by one of the previous mayors. That is how it works there.

And it isn't as unusual as you may think.

HindaRochel

Sun, Nov 02 2008, 1:00 am

Clarissa wrote:

Even if I believed your version 100%, I am totally creeped out by the notion of a mayor suggesting that some approved books should be removed from library shelves. That's censorship, and violates our Constitution. Although, judging by this, I think she's not all too familiar with the Constitution:

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=.....lated

She did not suggest some books should be removed from the library shelves. She was asking what the process was for removing books from the library shelves. For all anyone knows she was asking because people were bugging her and she wanted to show it was out of her hands and they might as well not protest because it wouldn't get anywhere.

My version is not a version; it is based on the facts. Pure facts, not hypothesis.

HindaRochel

Sun, Nov 02 2008, 1:10 am

Clarissa wrote:

Really? You can't compare the two rights? So who gets to decide which is the more important reading material? You do now? People are fighting over the thesis. Is that the criterion?

And what is on the link is not the thesis itself, but a synopsis. I can get you a link to a synopsis of Go Ask Alice, or Catcher in the Rye or War and Peace for that matter. A synopsis is not the book itself.

chavamom

Sun, Nov 02 2008, 1:28 am

There is a link to the actual thesis (see that link in the beginning that says "read full thesis here"? Knock yourself out). Crayon has been reading it and reports many typos . Perhaps McCain should release an ad that says we shouldn't trust someone whose wife makes so many typographical errors in their Senior thesis and how did she manage to graduate from Princeton, eh? Maybe it's those Saudi (or was it Palestinian?) backers having their way with the Ivy League.......