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amother
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Tue, May 05 2015, 11:58 am
I am SO proud of the school I work at. They sent an email saying that as of next year, they will no longer be accepting religious exemptions for vaccination. I guess as a Jewish school, they feel comfortable saying that not vaccinating has nothing to do with our religion.
Anonymous because of identifying information about my school.
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Sadie
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Tue, May 05 2015, 12:56 pm
Kol hakovod to your school! More and more schools will start to do this, and I think California is going to make it a law (one of the places that needs a law like this the most)
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amother
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Tue, May 05 2015, 1:15 pm
That's great...I work in a Denver public school, anyone can just come in and give in a religious or personal exemption, it's pretty high in Colorado the exemption rate.
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happybeingamom
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Tue, May 05 2015, 1:24 pm
Well it is logical as there is no Jewish law saying you can't have vaccinations. The only reason a Jewish school would accept that is if the student is not practicing Judaism but some other religion and I doubt the student's parents is saying that they practice a different religion.
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Amarante
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Tue, May 05 2015, 2:29 pm
I don't understand how a Jewish school could accept a religious exemption. It makes no sense. Why would the parents have been allowed this completely non-kosher interpretation by a school? A school is supposed to be the place that teaches your children. Who is a parent to be the expert on this as a matter of religious belief?
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MrsDash
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Tue, May 05 2015, 3:25 pm
Amarante wrote: | I don't understand how a Jewish school could accept a religious exemption. It makes no sense. Why would the parents have been allowed this completely non-kosher interpretation by a school? A school is supposed to be the place that teaches your children. Who is a parent to be the expert on this as a matter of religious belief? |
I'm thinking it's no different than those who say that the internet is assur. I'm sure they can find a rabbi somewhere who believes that vaccines are assur as well.
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justcallmeima
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Tue, May 05 2015, 3:32 pm
amother wrote: | That's great...I work in a Denver public school, anyone can just come in and give in a religious or personal exemption, it's pretty high in Colorado the exemption rate. |
So I've heard.
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Amarante
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Tue, May 05 2015, 3:39 pm
MrsDash wrote: | I'm thinking it's no different than those who say that the internet is assur. I'm sure they can find a rabbi somewhere who believes that vaccines are assur as well. |
But not the rabbis attached to the school so why wouldn't the school tell a parent that it is not an acceptable belief for that school. That is the part I am not understanding since schools are often picked by a parent because they teach in accordance with the parents' beliefs. So find a school run by a rabbi who believes vaccines are assur.
It's harder in the secular system because theoretically a school isn't supposed to be deciding whether a religious belief is valid. But theoretically a Jewish school is SUPPOSED to have opinions on the interpretation of religion.
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rosehill
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Tue, May 05 2015, 5:21 pm
I'm glad it worked out for you, OP, but I wonder if you'll be so cheerful if your school suddenly bans the Internet, or mandates certain foods for breakfast, or institutes who-knows-what rule that would adversely affect you.
Yeah, my kids are vaccinated, but I worry about the slippery slope of the government and the schools thinking they know better than I how best to raise my child, and using scare tactics and threats to get me to comply.
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mommy3b2c
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Tue, May 05 2015, 5:53 pm
rosehill wrote: | I'm glad it worked out for you, OP, but I wonder if you'll be so cheerful if your school suddenly bans the Internet, or mandates certain foods for breakfast, or institutes who-knows-what rule that would adversely affect you.
Yeah, my kids are vaccinated, but I worry about the slippery slope of the government and the schools thinking they know better than I how best to raise my child, and using scare tactics and threats to get me to comply. |
So are you against laws like no texting while driving or holding phones while driving? Don't you know how to be safe on your own? It's not always about you. It's about protecting others.
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Amarante
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Tue, May 05 2015, 6:27 pm
mommy2b2c wrote: | So are you against laws like no texting while driving or holding phones while driving? Don't you know how to be safe on your own? It's not always about you. It's about protecting others. |
Exactly - people who choose not to vaccinate their children are relying on other people being vaccinated and therefore the disease not finding enough "hosts" to spread.
But as was shown by the recent "Disney" measles epidemic, if enough people aren't vaccinated, the disease can spread and it strikes the most vulnerable like infants who can't be vaccinated until they are 1 year (for the most part) or those with compromised immune systems.
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amother
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Tue, May 05 2015, 6:43 pm
="Amarante"]Exactly - people who choose not to vaccinate their children are relying on other people being vaccinated and therefore the disease not finding enough "hosts" to spread.
But as was shown by the recent "Disney" measles epidemic, if enough people aren't vaccinated, the disease can spread and it strikes the most vulnerable like infants who can't be vaccinated until they are 1 year (for the most part) or those with compromised immune systems.[/quote]
Wrong.
People who dont vaccinate, dont believe in vaccines at all, hence, it is irrelevant to them if their surroundings are vaccinated or not.
They dont believe in the concept of herd immunity.
No one is relying on the fact that others are vaccinated, because if they believed that vaccines worked, and are healthy and productive, they would vaccinate their own children.
And I do believe there is a religious issue in Judaism with vaccines. There is fetus/animal tissue in the vaccines.since when are we aloud to consume that? (FDA does not hide that info)
Ok, let the bashing begin
I am posting to enlighten you all, that yes, people who don't vaccinate have reasons too, just Like you
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naturalmom5
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Tue, May 05 2015, 6:57 pm
GOOD FOR THEM
Vaccinate your kid or move to a deserted island
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Sadie
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Tue, May 05 2015, 7:04 pm
amother wrote: |
Wrong.
People who dont vaccinate, dont believe in vaccines at all, hence, it is irrelevant to them if their surroundings are vaccinated or not.
They dont believe in the concept of herd immunity.
No one is relying on the fact that others are vaccinated, because if they believed that vaccines worked, and are healthy and productive, they would vaccinate their own children.
And I do believe there is a religious issue in Judaism with vaccines. There is fetus/animal tissue in the vaccines.since when are we aloud to consume that? (FDA does not hide that info)
Ok, let the bashing begin
I am posting to enlighten you all, that yes, people who don't vaccinate have reasons too, just Like you |
Good for you. Just get used to homeschooling.
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vintagebknyc
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Tue, May 05 2015, 7:07 pm
amother wrote: | ="Amarante"]Exactly - people who choose not to vaccinate their children are relying on other people being vaccinated and therefore the disease not finding enough "hosts" to spread.
But as was shown by the recent "Disney" measles epidemic, if enough people aren't vaccinated, the disease can spread and it strikes the most vulnerable like infants who can't be vaccinated until they are 1 year (for the most part) or those with compromised immune systems. |
Wrong.
People who dont vaccinate, dont believe in vaccines at all, hence, it is irrelevant to them if their surroundings are vaccinated or not.
They dont believe in the concept of herd immunity.
No one is relying on the fact that others are vaccinated, because if they believed that vaccines worked, and are healthy and productive, they would vaccinate their own children.
And I do believe there is a religious issue in Judaism with vaccines. There is fetus/animal tissue in the vaccines.since when are we aloud to consume that? (FDA does not hide that info)
Ok, let the bashing begin
I am posting to enlighten you all, that yes, people who don't vaccinate have reasons too, just Like you[/quote]
can you please give me some links to prove the veracity of this? if the FDA is honest about this, I've love to learn more
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amother
Ginger
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Tue, May 05 2015, 7:07 pm
amother wrote: | ="Amarante"]
And I do believe there is a religious issue in Judaism with vaccines. There is fetus/animal tissue in the vaccines.since when are we aloud to consume that? (FDA does not hide that info)
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Incorrect. Halacha only considers it "consuming" if it's "k'derech achila" (by way of eating). There is a machlokes about whether or not pills count as derech achila, but many, many rabbeim say it is not and pills that are swallowed don't need to be kosher. Everyone agrees that IVs and injections are NOT considered achila and therefore it doesn't matter what's in them. The contrast they inject in you before a CT scan (which often contains shellfish)- not a problem. Those IVs that some people use to help them get through the Yom Kippur fast- not a problem (in terms of eating; there are other halachik problems with them, but one would not be considered over the issur of eating on YK). So no, vaccines are not a problem, because they're injected.
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Amarante
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Tue, May 05 2015, 7:15 pm
In case there is confusion from the quote above, I, Amarante believe in vaccination and am appalled that anyone doesn't believe they are a great gift to humanity.
No one who knows anything about diseases that are now prevented like polio. Or diphtheria, whooping cough, or smallpox and what a scourge they were could not have themselves and their children vaccinated.
An unvaccinated child or adult endangers those around them. What about a child with measles who infects an infant.
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