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smile
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 2:45 pm
Has anyone experience with kinesiology/muscle testing?
Can it be done without seen the child? A Dr is trying to find out what my kid is allergic to, using kinesiology but without seeing her?
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amother
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 2:47 pm
It depends on the practitioner's individual skills. Like all professions, there are good practitioners and better ones.
If you post the name of the specific practitioner, then those of us who are in this line of work can try to ask around for you.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 3:22 pm
smile wrote: | Has anyone experience with kinesiology/muscle testing?
Can it be done without seen the child? A Dr is trying to find out what my kid is allergic to, using kinesiology but without seeing her? |
Kinesiology requires the patient to be present as fas as I know. I have never heard it done via proxy. Other modalities such as biomagnetic therapy or quantum energy techniques do not require the person to be present. Kinesiology is the right modality to test for allergies tho.
Who is the practitioner?
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amother
Lilac
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 3:34 pm
Seas wrote: | It's quackery. |
Have you tried it for allergies and can say this definitively? I personally have found it to be very helpful for children's food sensitivities.
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smile
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 3:35 pm
It is for food testing. And no she is not present.
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MrsDash
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 3:38 pm
Applied Kinesiology. It is not recognized by the vast majority of the medical professional community. As stated above, it's very much quackery.
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myself
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 4:35 pm
We identified one of my children's food sensitivities in a similar way. The child wasn't present but it definitely worked. Not everything unusual is quackery.
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amother
Floralwhite
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 4:46 pm
amother wrote: | Have you tried it for allergies and can say this definitively? I personally have found it to be very helpful for children's food sensitivities. |
Quackery is defined as using diagnostic tests that are not recognized in mainstream western medicine. Yes kinesiology is quackery. However, this form of quackery has helped many people when the mainstream western medicine couldn't find the problem.
As far as I understand, as long as you use a trustworthy practitioner, there is no way you can be harm (aside from losing money).
If you are looking to solve a problem that your pediatrician can't solve, applied kinesiology or another form of it may help you figure out your next steps to helping your child. (Eliminating foods/supplementing vitamins)
Again, use your judgement and see if it works. Don't ever follow anyone blindly.
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MagentaYenta
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 4:57 pm
smile wrote: | It is for food testing. And no she is not present. |
Before the latest era of kinesiology quackery it was the study of body movement. The actual study of the mechanics of human movement. It's a real course (unrelated to the quackery) that is often taken by athletic trainers, physiotherapists, and rehabilitative specialists.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 7:21 pm
I was in contact with someone who does kinesiology and yes it can be done without the person present. It uses energy as well as muscle testing and a practitioner who knows how can access your child's muscular energy without your child present.
It does sound like hocus pocus and medical/scientific establishment doesn't have the technology to measure this form of a person's energy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and be accessed. 100 years ago someone would have told you internet and video calling were bogus too. People who call it quackery have not tried it.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 7:24 pm
MagentaYenta wrote: | Before the latest era of kinesiology quackery it was the study of body movement. The actual study of the mechanics of human movement. It's a real course (unrelated to the quackery) that is often taken by athletic trainers, physiotherapists, and rehabilitative specialists. |
Yeah I'm a PT and thought this thread would be about muscle and joint movement.
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Seas
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 7:27 pm
amother wrote: | I was in contact with someone who does kinesiology and yes it can be done without the person present. It uses energy as well as muscle testing and a practitioner who knows how can access your child's muscular energy without your child present.
It does sound like hocus pocus and medical/scientific establishment doesn't have the technology to measure this form of a person's energy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and be accessed. 100 years ago someone would have told you internet and video calling were bogus too. People who call it quackery have not tried it. |
It doesn't just sound bogus, it is. And I'll repeat this like a broken record despite any 'hugs' or negativity.
Fellow Jews, don't allow yourselves to be deluded by charlatans - even if the charlatans are also deluding themselves.
Without going into details as I don't want to out myself, I have much firsthand knowledge of all these kind of hocus pocus. They are all - and I mean all - FAKE. Fraud. Nonsense.
There's plenty of information available on the net for anyone wishing to educate themselves. Just don't allow yourself to be taken advantage of because you're vulnerable.
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tigerwife
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 7:42 pm
I'm going to second Seas and say that everyone should really be wary of all kinds of "Energy Healing". Some practices are simply a way to lose money and others are practically avoda zara (vibrating to the rhythm of Gaia's heartbeat?!). OP, do a lot of research before contacting this person.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 7:54 pm
amother wrote: | Quackery is defined as using diagnostic tests that are not recognized in mainstream western medicine. Yes kinesiology is quackery. However, this form of quackery has helped many people when the mainstream western medicine couldn't find the problem.
As far as I understand, as long as you use a trustworthy practitioner, there is no way you can be harm (aside from losing money).
If you are looking to solve a problem that your pediatrician can't solve, applied kinesiology or another form of it may help you figure out your next steps to helping your child. (Eliminating foods/supplementing vitamins)
Again, use your judgement and see if it works. Don't ever follow anyone blindly. |
The harm done is eliminating foods for no valid reason.
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rydys
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 8:05 pm
amother wrote: | I was in contact with someone who does kinesiology and yes it can be done without the person present. It uses energy as well as muscle testing and a practitioner who knows how can access your child's muscular energy without your child present.
It does sound like hocus pocus and medical/scientific establishment doesn't have the technology to measure this form of a person's energy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and be accessed. 100 years ago someone would have told you internet and video calling were bogus too. People who call it quackery have not tried it. |
How can someone assess someone's muscular energy without the person present? I can only think of one of three ways--through the Koach Hatahara (like a mekubal), the Koach Hatuma, or quackery.
I don't doubt that kinesiology can help some people, but I would worry about this form being through one of the last two.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 8:10 pm
you might want to look in to bicom allergy testing. I did it and saw great results b'H.
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Health is a Virture
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 8:28 pm
I have been told that while kinesiology is muttar, doing it remotely is assur. You should ask a shayla.
I would also only want to use a kinesiologist who is frum and has a haskama from a rav because many do use ruach ha'tumah. But, since I live in Israel that is not a hard thing to find--don't know what I would do elsewhere except ask a rav who knows and get specific details of what to do.
but yes, many people have seen success for food allergies through kinesiology. It worked for me
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amother
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 9:30 pm
Kinesiology helped me a lot with food allergies and sensitivity.
Western medicine is ussually lost when it comes to issues of toxicity.
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amother
Magenta
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Wed, Jul 12 2017, 9:37 pm
It totally worked for me and my child as well.
When all regular mainstream wasn't working, through kiniesiology we figured out what me child was allergic to.
As my doctor (AS IN MD) says, "Hashem sends different chochmos in the world as a different shaliach for each individual. Western medicine doesnt work on everyone. use the chochmos available."
It does take time though, its not a quick fix, You must be patient.
Hatzlacha on your journey!
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