RIP Glen Campbell | Imamother

PinkFridge

Mon, Aug 14 2017, 12:07 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4Ga67EDrKI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUBhE00h9U0

For all of us out there whose lives have been impacted by dementia.

PinkFridge

Mon, Aug 14 2017, 12:20 pm

MagentaYenta wrote:

Did you know he was a Messianic Jew for many decades?

No. I didn't. That explains the Alice Cooper interview. (I'm kind of binge watching youtube clips. [New filter, limited youtube.]) AC keeps saying that they both went through addiction and came out Christians, but he did mention a seder at the Campbells.

Maybe I'll ask for the thread to be deleted but not yet.

MagentaYenta

Mon, Aug 14 2017, 12:27 pm

PinkFridge wrote:

No. I didn't. That explains the Alice Cooper interview. (I'm kind of binge watching youtube clips. [New filter, limited youtube.])AC keeps saying that they both went through addiction and came out Christians, but he did mention a seder at the Campbells.

From what I read (RollingStone) years ago he was doing a lot of coke and he and Alice wound up in the same treatment program (Betty Ford?) and of course to practice the 12 steps one must have a deity to depend on. Somehow he was influenced by the Messianic way. The deal was sealed when he met his last wife.

PinkFridge

Mon, Aug 14 2017, 1:17 pm

MagentaYenta wrote:

Dr. Twerski has a book on the 12 steps in which he tries to show that being a spiritual person does not mean being a deist, which makes the 12 steps accessible to all.

MagentaYenta

Mon, Aug 14 2017, 1:19 pm

PinkFridge wrote:

Dr. Twerski has a book on the 12 steps in which he tries to show that being a spiritual person does not mean being a deist, which makes the 12 steps accessible to all.

I worked in the recovery industry and that is also what it taught in 12 step recovery.

PinkFridge

Mon, Aug 14 2017, 1:24 pm

MagentaYenta wrote:

I worked in the recovery industry and that is also what it taught in 12 step recovery.

So then one doesn't need a deity to depend on.
I guess we're both right: for an ardent atheist, this is a lifeline to be able to access the 12 steps. For someone who's lapsed, and not for philosophical reasons, it's probably very natural to return to faith.

MagentaYenta

Mon, Aug 14 2017, 1:27 pm

PinkFridge wrote:

We were trained to tell atheists that they could use a tree or an inanimate object like a rock. This was many years before the medical model of recovery became accepted.

PinkFridge

Mon, Aug 14 2017, 6:01 pm

MagentaYenta wrote:

We were trained to tell atheists that they could use a tree or an inanimate object like a rock. This was many years before the medical model of recovery became accepted.

I don't get how this would work.