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amother
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 5:57 pm
This is a spin-off of the Oprah thread.
I hold American citizenship but have never lived in the US. I follow US politics for the entertainment factor since most of it is not relevant to me personally. Canadians really admire and love our southern neighbors and that hasn't changed at all. Yet I don't know a single person who thinks that the election of Trump was a wise move. Most people just shake their heads in bafflement and say "what were they thinking?". To be honest, he is a laughingstock here. We had our own wannabe Trump when Kevin O'Leary ran for leadership of the Conservative party, he didn't get very far.
Do the Trump die-hards really not care?
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 6:30 pm
America has long been a laughing stock and source of confusion to the rest of the developed world. This is just the latest installment.
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mommy3b2c
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 6:45 pm
oliveoil wrote: | America has long been a laughing stock and source of confusion to the rest of the developed world. This is just the latest installment. |
America is the greatest country in the world. Let them laugh.
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amother
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 7:06 pm
mommy3b2c wrote: | America is the greatest country in the world. Let them laugh. |
I know that this belief is inculcated in American children from birth. It is a beautiful sentiment and I think the USA can teach others about the value of patriotism, but it is most definitely not true. The USA ranks disappointingly low on quality of life indexes, among other variables.
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 7:10 pm
amother wrote: | I know that this belief is inculcated in American children from birth. It is a beautiful sentiment and I think the USA can teach others about the value of patriotism, but it is most definitely not true. The USA ranks disappointingly low on quality of life indexes, among other variables. |
well said
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amother
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 7:16 pm
amother wrote: | I know that this belief is inculcated in American children from birth. It is a beautiful sentiment and I think the USA can teach others about the value of patriotism, but it is most definitely not true. The USA ranks disappointingly low on quality of life I ndexes, among other variables. |
Also, maternal mortality, education, wealth gap, poverty levels, access to healthcare, to name a few more.
I remember when I first moved to the US I was working at an ivy league university and couldn't believe when a graduation senior told me, in all seriousness, "everyone wants to be American". I couldn't believe the parochialism.
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mommy3b2c
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 7:16 pm
amother wrote: | I know that this belief is inculcated in American children from birth. It is a beautiful sentiment and I think the USA can teach others about the value of patriotism, but it is most definitely not true. The USA ranks disappointingly low on quality of life indexes, among other variables. |
Nobody is perfect, but always look at the whole picture. It is a fact that America is the most powerful country in the world, not just some nice story that Americans tell their children to instill patriotism.
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amother
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 7:19 pm
mommy3b2c wrote: | Nobody is perfect, but always look at the whole picture. It is a fact that America is the most powerful country in the world, not just some nice story that Americans tell their children to instill patriotism. |
I disagree that power=great. America is indeed the most influential and powerful global player (for now), but that is only one factor of what it takes to be a great country to one's citizens.
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Maya
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 7:21 pm
mommy3b2c wrote: | Nobody is perfect, but always look at the whole picture. It is a fact that America is the most powerful country in the world, not just some nice story that Americans tell their children to instill patriotism. |
How do the 300 million people living in this country benefit from being the supposedly most powerful country in the world, when so many things in our basic day-to-day lives need fixing by the government?
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Chana Miriam S
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 7:42 pm
I feel sorry for Americans. As a Canadian (who also dislikes our provincial and federal government) my favourite way to explain my feelings about the Trump Clinton election is the answer to this question:
Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump are in a boat and it sinks. Who survives? America.
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mommy3b2c
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 7:53 pm
Maya wrote: | How do the 300 million people living in this country benefit from being the supposedly most powerful country in the world, when so many things in our basic day-to-day lives need fixing by the government? |
Interestingly enough, feeling that the government is the only one that can fix your problems often leads to a form of government called communism. Try living in a communist country and let me know how that works out for you.
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amother
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 7:58 pm
mommy3b2c wrote: | Interestingly enough, feeling that the government is the only one that can fix your problems often leads to a form of government called communism. Try living in a communist country and let me know how that works out for you. |
The countries who have higher quality of life than the US aren’t communist.
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amother
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 8:04 pm
Well. Justin Trudeau ain't something to be proud of either, is he.
And the Healthcare system in Canada sucks. So I'll choose America over Canada any day.
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amother
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 8:06 pm
amother wrote: | Well. Justin Trudeau ain't something to be proud of either, is he.
And the Healthcare system in Canada sucks. So I'll choose America over Canada any day. |
Well at least there is a healthcare system (and it doesn’t suck. Flawed)
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Maya
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 8:13 pm
mommy3b2c wrote: | Interestingly enough, feeling that the government is the only one that can fix your problems often leads to a form of government called communism. Try living in a communist country and let me know how that works out for you. |
There now, there's no need to go to extremes.
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amother
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 8:18 pm
Op here. Please don't make this a USA vs Others bash fest. Let's be civil and respectful to each other.
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amother
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 8:20 pm
amother wrote: | Well. Justin Trudeau ain't something to be proud of either, is he.
And the Healthcare system in Canada sucks. So I'll choose America over Canada any day. |
I keep seeing this sentiment on here against universal healthcare expressed by those in the US. I know that this comment in particular was only in relation to Canada though it's been mentioned recently against others as well. I don't understand it. I live in the UK and it makes things so much easier that healthcare is provided for. Whoever wants a higher level of care takes out health insurance and goes private. Just like you have to do now. So how can the fact that it's even just there as an option, not be a big plus?
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amother
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 8:22 pm
amother wrote: | Op here. Please don't make this a USA vs Others bash fest. Let's be civil and respectful to each other. |
Trump scares me.
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amother
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 8:22 pm
I actually thought the thread title was referring to what we think of the fact that Americans are so invested into politics. Because that is something I find interesting.
I guess it goes with the patriotism
I remember American girls in seminary being so surprised that we didn't know all the exact ins and outs of British history. Sure, we learn these things and get all involved when something like Brexit comes along, but it's not such a focal point of interest like it seems to be in the US.
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mommy3b2c
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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 8:30 pm
amother wrote: | The countries who have higher quality of life than the US aren’t communist. |
They lean towards more socialist. And I’m pretty happy with my quality of life.
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