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Permanent eye liner

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ny21

Wed, Sep 06 2006, 10:53 am

I heard that in Isreal its the latest rage =

I have seen it on some women

my sis says its considered a tatto !

the eyeliner last 3 years then wears off

I would not ever do this !

they put it on your top and lower eye lids !
is it considered a tatto !

im rushing out the door as a write

Ruchel

Wed, Sep 06 2006, 1:37 pm

It's tempting for a lazy lady like me.

Anyway, here's what I found on the topic.

R' Elie Kahn wrote:

Le maquillage permanent aussi ne tient que quelques annees, et j'ai ecrit dans une autre reponse qu'il etait interdit par la majorite des decisionnaires.
Le Rav qui l'a autorise a peut etre accepter l'avis du Rav Mordekhay Eliaou qui autorise.

(The permanent make up, although it only stays a few years, is as I said in another answer, forbidden by the majority of decisionaries.
The rav who allowed it maybe followed the opinion of R' Mordechai Eliaou who allows it.)

So apparently the majority sees it like a tatoo, with some rabbis who disagree. Smile

supermom

Wed, Sep 06 2006, 1:47 pm

Isn't a tatoo something that is for life while the eye liner is just temporary.

Wonder if it raises problems when one has to go to the mikveh since it is makeup after all.

elkayed

Wed, Sep 06 2006, 1:48 pm

What about going to the mikvah with it??

Imhappy!

Wed, Sep 06 2006, 2:02 pm

I'm wondering if tinting eyebrows falls under the same catergory

batya_d

Wed, Sep 06 2006, 3:43 pm

I asked a rav about this once, according to his all permanent make-up is a tattoo and is clearly forbidden.

Tinting eyebrows, however, should be no different from dying the hair on your head though. There's no coloration of skin involved, just hair.

mimsy7420

Wed, Sep 06 2006, 4:02 pm

But you are not allowed to go to mikvah with temporary dye in your hair, only permanent, so would that be the same for tinting eyebrows? Is it temporary or permanent dye?

chocolate moose

Wed, Sep 06 2006, 4:16 pm

it depends on how you look. you may have to tint before mikvah.

hair is slightly different than eyebrows, though. you don't see them growing out.

mimsy7420

Wed, Sep 06 2006, 4:19 pm

Well, I know one is not allowed to toivel with temporary dye in their hair for sure. So is what they use to tint eyebrows? Temporary? Or is it real permanent hair dye which you are allowed to toivel with?

chocolate moose

Wed, Sep 06 2006, 4:31 pm

I don't nec. do my eyebrowns/lashes right before I toivel; I don't want the dye from my skin to be a problem.

mimsy7420

Wed, Sep 06 2006, 4:33 pm

Nevermind if its on your skin, it could be a problem just being on eyebrow or eyelash hair.

Permanent dye changes the pigment in each hair. So, not a chatzitzah.
Temporary dye just coats the hair with dye. Chatzitzah!

amother

Thu, Sep 07 2006, 4:53 am

I have the permanent eye liner and I regret it very much I was 16 and not frum without my mother knowing it after she discover me she was very upset because it's obviously a tattoo and she told me it's forbiden by jewish law.
they told me it lasts for 8 years and its like 14 and it doesn't go away at all.
I asked a rav before I got married and he told me a can go to the mikvah, imagine not going?

ny21

Thu, Sep 07 2006, 8:51 am

G-d forbid if you pass away ? are you allowed to be burried in a jewish
cemetary? if permanent eye liner is considered a tattoo?

morningstar

Thu, Sep 07 2006, 9:18 am

It is a myth that one with a tattoo may not be buried in a Jewish cemetery.
Although tattooing is assur, one would still receive a kosher burial.

chocolate moose

Thu, Sep 07 2006, 9:36 am

tatoos CAN be removed by a dermatologist or plastic surgeon, you know.

ny21

Thu, Sep 07 2006, 9:42 am

[quote="morningstar"]It is a myth that one with a tattoo may not be buried in a Jewish cemetery

Why is this a myth ? I thought it was true?

ny21

Thu, Sep 07 2006, 9:44 am

I also heard that in Isreal they numb you - before they put on the

permanent eye liner . In the states they might not?

imnot sure !

chocolate moose

Thu, Sep 07 2006, 10:19 am

Momoftwins, it's just to scare people.

supermom

Thu, Sep 07 2006, 10:54 am

I was told that dying ones hair is okay for mikveh permanent or not.

Ruchel

Thu, Sep 07 2006, 6:13 pm

supermom wrote:

I was told that dying ones hair is okay for mikveh permanent or not.

If it is in good state (= you would go out in the streets like that without any problem), I have learned the same.

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