A creative workbook brings excitement & relevance to tznius!

ynadell

Tue, Mar 17 2015, 11:52 am

tzniutfashion wrote:

You are most welcome.

A lot of prints and pattern designs on fabric are influenced by Parisian-style designers whose goals are to flaunt the human body and antithesis to tznius. You probably know that as a student of fashion. What we learn in fashion school are not about tznius at all but all about how to accentuate the "beauty" of the human body according to the schools of Yafes, Esav and Amalek. The tznius of Klal Yisrael is unique and should stay unique in that it should not copy the ways and styles of the non jews that are contradictory to tznius.

I'd like to point out another thought. Jean-skirts as you know are adaptations of the jean-pants, and adopt the fly front and the back hip pockets. In some communities which your book may or may not reach, the fly-front is an issue as it highlights provocative areas of the lower torso.

For the love of G-d, I highly encourage you to revisit your objectives with your Rav whose writings I highly admire and follow in the areas of Chinuch HaBonim, since the distribution of your publication is now wider than your original intended audience.

Brocho v'hatlzacha! Let me know if I can be of help to you in anyway off-list.

Thanks so much. All the best.

happybeingamom

Tue, Mar 17 2015, 12:24 pm

ynadell wrote:

We recommend it for ages 8 and up. The younger girls enjoy the stickers the coloring and can follow the tutorials on a basic level. Older girls that like drawing interact on a different level. They learn really drawing and design skills. It was created keeping in mind the different levels so each should be able to enjoy it.

Thanks

farm

Tue, Mar 17 2015, 1:38 pm

Please keep the beautiful, cute, modern clothing choices- I think your product is just perfect for its intended audience. If you present a nerdy burka inspired version, not only will your only customer be tzniutfashion, you will also alienate all the young girls who will have yet another reason to feel marginalized and rebel. Also, perhaps your next release can incorporate more cultural diversity without too much extra work- give a few options for Adina's face that each reflect a different ethnicity so the user can choose which face to put and then which outfit, etc.

ynadell

Tue, Mar 17 2015, 2:18 pm

farm wrote:

Thanks for the positive and supportive words! I don't plan on any directional changes. BH we have had so much positive feedback. It's hard to suit ever hashkafa. I do appreciate hearing different opinions though.

Thanks for the cultural diversity idea. 😊

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marina

Tue, Mar 17 2015, 11:04 pm

tzniutfashion wrote:

Just wear a paper bag on your head. It's the safest route.

Heyaaa

Wed, Mar 18 2015, 2:39 am

tzniutfashion wrote:

Jeans were originally created by a Jew. A Jew who probably never went to Paris. The only ppl who think fly zippers and back pockets are seductive are yeshivish/chassidish ppl. The only guy who looks at them that way is the same guy who gets turned on by a tree.

33055

Wed, Mar 18 2015, 7:57 am

tzniutfashion wrote:

I am confident that Mrs Nadell is doing this project l'shem shamayim.
Because she's open to opinions about her book, she's thankful to mine.
It's up to Mrs Nadell to decide the direction of her publication and how wide her audience she wants to include.

Don't make this thread about me, please.

There is nothing wrong with the chevron print, except when it's designed to point to certain provocative areas of the body. I am sure all opinions on tznius will agree that provocative areas of the body should not be highlighted.

Not all opinions hold that excessive glitter on a garment is tznius, in fact, some hold that it is antithesis to tznius as it attracts. And this is commonsense knowledge, not exclusive to Jewish modesty. A little bit of glitter is ok, as you will find on snoods and such.

My opinions may sound extreme to some of you, but I did not make them up. You can look them up.

The chevron print was not designed to point to certain proactive areas. That is absurd. When a designer uses the print or a normal and not sick customer buys a garment with the print, they do it because it is flattering. I find I look less squishy is a large chevron print versus horizontal stripes. The print could be pointing to my insoles instead of my crotch.

Heyaaa

Wed, Mar 18 2015, 8:18 am

Squishy wrote:

Off topic but did you know that ties are in the shape of an arrow bec they're supposed to point there. I don't see anyone assuring those...

Heyaaa

Wed, Mar 18 2015, 10:15 am

Squishy wrote:

I googled this and couldn't find that fact. Would you kindly show me your source?

It was a buzzfeed video. I tried googling it, and the closest I found to a source was lots of people speculating it was the reason. And someone said (without a source) that arthropologists argue it has a phallic source.

In any event, ties do point there. Even if they weren't created to point there, if chevron is forbidden by some, so should ties be forbidden.

greenfire

Wed, Mar 18 2015, 10:54 am

many people who don't wear ties - do so because of the trinity knots that were supposed to remind one of the mother the son & the holy ghost

to insinuate clothing points to certain areas is absurd ... I mean imagine in the dart days of women's clothing ... should people rather go naked than to chas v'sholom point out we have boobs ?!

and a zippered front - if anything - makes a girl look like she has a p#nis thereby emasculating males ... yup aha

where's the potatoe sack now ...

Wed, Mar 18 2015, 11:24 am

I don't think that anyone can argue that the designers do not focus on making women's bodies look more attracting, and hi lighting certain areas.

That being said, you can't say as a blanket statement that all chevron print, glitter, is wrong. Sure, it can be, but it didn't have to be. It depends on how it looks, how it's worn, etc. Even a top that won't be tznius on one woman can be tznius on someone else! (Depending on her build...)

Jeans were first made by a Jew for men only. I think the shift to ladies wearing them started much later.

Tznius involves a lot of sensitivity and awareness. Giving blanket statements of "this is wrong" is counterproductive and also inaccurate.

PinkFridge

Wed, Mar 18 2015, 12:05 pm

PinkFridge wrote:

What exactly do you have in mind? There's a really wonderful new kids series, The Young Lamplighters series, Menucha Publishers, featuring kids in interesting places, such as Mendy of Siberia, Tamar of Venice, Rivka of Thailand and a few more (I'm pretty sure that all the families are shluchim). I'll have to take a look at the books next time I go the Jewish library if they're in. But I think the kids dress fairly standard, not impacted by their locations. Though I guess Rivka's the most exotic so far. Standard of course being US standard Wink

I just skimmed Rivka of Thailand. There were girls wearing lightweight, light color skirts with some interesting, pretty smocking/embroidery that might be local. So I guess there may be some local influence.
Then again, likely there are not generations living in some far off places to be influenced or want to adapt some of the local fabrics, etc. Or they may davka try not to be. I wonder how your idea would play out.

Hashem_Yaazor

Wed, Mar 18 2015, 12:48 pm

I think davka leaving the book as is would be great for dialogue between mothers and daughters, as they can discuss sensitivities more objectively, when not in the context of shopping and hurting the girl's feelings/having to say no....this doesn't speak bad about anyone, but can get messages across if the designed girl has something not matim for that family.

33055

Wed, Mar 18 2015, 2:17 pm

Heyaaa wrote:

Has anyone else seen the news about the Australian newscaster with the p@nis shaped necklines. You know what that points to? Soon the Rabbis and a certain poster will rail against suit jacket necklines without lapels.

I can't post an image - sorry.