I'm happy Trump won!

amother

Natural

Thu, Nov 10 2016, 7:41 pm

mille wrote:

And for those of us who are NOT happy about Trump's presidency, I believe you've summed up why. It's less to do with Trump himself and more to do with him giving voice and purpose to the masses of horrible, racist, sexist, xenophobic among us. It's terrifying.

I don't know if Trump supporters are actually racist, sexist, homophobic, etc so I won't comment on that. But I will say that perhaps it's time to have a different narrative, one that would include all Americans. That would mean that All Lives Matter, everyone has free speech, conservatives aren't silenced, whites aren't rejected from colleges and are given the same scholarships as minorities, etc. Do you think that could ever happen?

#Unitedwestanddividedwefall

amother

Brunette

Thu, Nov 10 2016, 7:49 pm

Lololol. As someone who works on healthcare policy, every time I read those of you excited about how the repealing of Obamacare is going to make your insurance cheaper.... LOL

...you just won't have ANY insurance. Or you'll pay way more for it. I'm confused as to why people think they're getting free insurance from Donald trump. Republicans are against public assistance programs and government funded insurance.... Republican ideology is go out there and earn more money and afford your own insurance.

Yes I voted against trump but I also have no feelings about Obamacare personally... I just understand how to works.

amother

Aubergine

Thu, Nov 10 2016, 7:50 pm

dancingqueen wrote:

Honestly asking because I am not so familiar: if you can afford private insurance why don't you stay on it? I though Obamacare was covering people who were too rich for Medicaid but couldn't afford private insurance.

I am in that "'middle" category- too "rich" for Medicaid and too poor for to pay for private health insurance. However, due to a health condition, I need to be able to get to top specialists. No doctor worth his salt takes the Obamacare plans. So I have no choice but to pay exorbitant fees for a private health insurance plan which literally eats up almost my entire salary.
FYI, before Obamacare, my employer provided an excellent insurance plan that covered most doctors. Due to Obamacare, this insurance plan raised its rates and my employer could no longer afford this plan. So instead my employer offered another insurance plan, which has a tiny network, and I would not be able to get to the doctors that I need.
So yes, I am glad that Trump won. Health insurance was one of the major factors in my decision to vote for Trump. I was absolutely not going to vote for someone who was going to continue Obamacare.

amother

Indigo

Thu, Nov 10 2016, 8:00 pm

amother wrote:

Lololol. As someone who works on healthcare policy, every time I read those of you excited about how the repealing of Obamacare is going to make your insurance cheaper.... LOL

More free market allows for competition, with better rates, better coverage, and better service as a result.

Besides for the fact that rates for all people had to go up to cover the expenses ses insurance company is incurred in complying with all the aca mandates.

dancingqueen

Thu, Nov 10 2016, 8:54 pm

amother wrote:

Interesting. Thanks for sharing. You were exactly that person Obamacare was supposed to help but I guess it didn't in your case.

amother

Royalblue

Thu, Nov 10 2016, 10:20 pm

amother wrote:

Seems like Obamacare didn't help other people either-- https://www.washingtonpost.com.....rump/

He also managed to bankrupt dozens of insurance companies.

Once again, his plans helped those who basically earn nothing or close to nothing, and those that earn more or are wealthy, were left out to hang, with crazy expensive plans that virtually offer no pool of (top) specialist choices.

I have rachmanus on those that don't earn, but guess what. Im sick of paying full tuition to cover those that cant or wont. Im sick of paying high premiums because of those that choose not to work, and mooch over the government.

Its time for people to become selfish and for a change, start taking care of themselves.

What a novelty.

amother

Orchid

Thu, Nov 10 2016, 10:41 pm

dancingqueen wrote:

Interesting. Thanks for sharing. You were exactly that person Obamacare was supposed to help but I guess it didn't in your case.

Different amother here. It didn't help a lot of people I know. One family I know lost their coverage- they had employee coverage and it got too expensive. So their adult child with severe disabilities (who was allowed to be on the family plan) lost coverage and now is on Medicaid. And the rest of the family got the cheapest plan which covers almost nothing. And Medicaid which basically is just ER coverage where I live. NO doctor takes it.
I was on Medicaid for a while due to a technicality. I couldn't find a doctor who would take it for me and then my newborn. I paid out of pocket for the first few checkups and it was crazy.
Now we have employee coverage but it still stinks. It goes up and up every year. We pay more in coverage than almost any other expense.

It didn't go up this much before the ACA. I didn't have problems with my insurance randomly causing problems. One year our insurance almost got cancelled a bunch of times, they overbilled us then refunded the money and then claimed we never paid. Never an issue before.

PinkFridge

Fri, Nov 11 2016, 8:08 am

mille wrote:

Yes, and the people I call the lower information talk show hosts like Hannity and Gallagher have repeatedly said about some of the locker room talk, Come on, haven't you ever said or thought something like that, this is everyman.
I still maintain that a Clinton win would have had its own set of sobering deplorables.

FTR I can't say I'm happy Trump won but I'm relieved to see the Clintons go away.

amother

Blue

Fri, Nov 11 2016, 11:02 am

SixOfWands wrote:

Well, I've seem mostly peaceful protests:

There was this troubling and sad incident:

But so far, no one using the N word. Or swastika. Or even "cracker" that I've seen. Please feel free to post if you know otherwise. Unless its from Alex Jones. Don't post from Alex Jones. I'll be happy to condemn any violence.

sixofwands- your implication that Clinton supporters are more civilized than Trump supporters is outright laughable. And then you post a few pictures as if to "prove it". Around 120 million people voted, around 60 million for each candidate. Your gonna have to do a lot better than a few random internet pictures to demonstrate your point. And btw, when Trump said towards the end of the 3rd debate that if he lost he would not concede until he looked into it, the following day every newspaper in the country talked about what an outrage it is that he wouldn't agree to transfer power peacefully. These protests would like nothing more than to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power.

SixOfWands

Fri, Nov 11 2016, 11:58 am

amother wrote:

These photos show protests. They don't show any attempt to disrupt the peaceful transition. In any case, there's a real difference between TRUMP trying to disrupt succession of power, and Clinton SUPPORTERS protesting. Clinton gave a very gracious (albeit delayed) speech.

Perhaps Trump should stand up and say that the KKK marchers, the people who are taunting Latinos with "we're sending you back now," the people who are proudly shouting about putting the Ns in their place, are wrong. That he envisions an America for all of us.

That whether or not he appoints Jan Brewer to his Cabinet, Latinos need not worry that they will be stopped in the street for no reason other than the color of their skin, and required to prove that they are legally in the US. And that Muslims will not be required to register solely because of their religion. (Its off his website, but he needs to vocally state that its off the table.)

That would help. But he's not doing that. And whatever you think his personal beliefs are, its certainly making the racists think that he's with them.

It would also help for him not to have part of his plan to try to indict and imprison his former opponent, instead of trying to work with her. But that's asking too much.

Healthcare costs will rise precipitously post ACA, exactly as they did pre-ACA. Between 1999 and 2004, health care premiums rose 72%. Between 2005 and 2009, they rose another 34%. Do people really think that they're going down, and going to be affordable, post-ACA?

And if Ryan has his way, and Medicare is privatized, it will result in the loss of health care to a lot of elder Americans. (I don't think its going to happen, FTR. AARP is simply too powerful.)

You really want to reduce healthcare costs? End the AMA monopoly. They keep the number of doctors artificially low, to keep income high. Let's have more doctors in the US.

SixOfWands

Fri, Nov 11 2016, 12:15 pm

amother wrote:

Black Lives Matter doesn't diminish the value of other lives. It recognizes that in our society, leaving aside blatant racism, many or most of us have latent racist tendencies. If we're walking home at night, and a black teen wearing a hoodie and baggy pants is behind us, we're a bit more tense than if it were a white woman in a Burberry coat. And that we need recognize and address these tendencies which have, sadly, resulted in the deaths of a number of African Americans. Or as someone else explained, let's say your house is on fire. You would expect the fire department to come, and put it out. That's black lives matter. If they came to the house next door, and sprayed water on that instead, that would be all lives matter. You have to fight the problem. But should they go next door if its at risk? Of course!

But if you're opposed to Black Lives Matter, I assume that you don't have a problem with news outlets that conflate the deaths of Palestinians and Jews in Israel. I mean, all lives matter to you. Jews aren't under any special risk, any more than blacks are, I suppose. Me, I'm horrified by it. And utterly consistent.

And I dream of an America where affirmative action and diversity programs are no longer needed. But when you still have poor people attending sub-standard schools, they deserve a chance at an equal playing field. Plus diversity benefits all of us. In any case, whites aren't rejected from schools because of blacks. They're rejected because they have bad grades and low SAT scores. As was the case of the woman from Texas who lost her case last year.