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amother
Lemon
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 Tue, Oct 23 2018, 8:56 am
My daughter doesnt have much warning when she needs the bathroom.
We've ruled out UTI.
I would like to try strengthening her pelvic floor and see if it helps,
We do kegels, what else can I suggest she does?
Thanks!
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amother
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 9:02 am
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amother
Lemon
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 9:15 am
Thank you, but I dont find that she uses the bathroom more than normal , and doesnt have bedwetting issues.
Its more that when she needs to go, its NOW!
I did discuss it with the dr, he was unconcerned once we did a urine sample and ruled out infections.
But she had an accident in school last week because the (unskilled) teacher didnt allow her to go to the bathroom when she asked. She ignored her request for 10 minutes.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 9:20 am
The following post may be TMI, or may be considered vulgar by some on this site. If that includes you, please skip on by. To the OP:
I missed almost every time until I was 14. It was terribly embarrassing.
I did do kegels. It didn't help my particular problem:
You see, when I was being potty trained, my mother would become very stressed over the matter. I just wanted to play... And play... And play... Until it was too late, I couldn't move, I had to GO.
I distinctly remember once my mother running holding me under the armpits to the bathroom, muttering angrily. I remember the feeling of not being able to hold it in while bouncing in her hands, and crying because it was all so hopeless.
It may be that I did have something medical then, but the problem persisted up and through my teen years until one day I was caught far from a bathroom in sleep-away camp. I felt the urge to pee, and I felt the usual wash of hopelessness, and then I decided that I wasn't going to pee myself. Instead of crossing my legs like I normally did, I focused on not letting my pee drop from my bladder. I focused, and found I could walk, and I walked... And I made it!!!!! It was the most exhilarating feeling of freedom.
And I can't help wondering: what if potty training had been a more reassuring process? What if I hadn't been shamed for it? What if I didn't need to accept that I couldn't hold it in? Why did I spend years bring teased because I smelled, being terrified to drink water in case I would pee, getting used to wet underwear and clothing?
I posted this because I wanted to put out there that seemingly medical issues may sometimes be psychological, or even just bad training. Even though I didn't feel a horror of peeing, I had simply never learned how. Never. I'd only learned how to miss, and I thought that was there process by which one peed, and that I was just weird that I couldn't hold it in, and I accepted it as truth because that was all I knew. I didn't know to pay attention to the feeling before it became drastically urgent.
Your daughter may need kegel exercises. She also may need coaching and problem-solving strategies. She absolutely needs your undying support and love, so that she feels safe in this matter.
Talk to her, and hatzlacha getting through this!
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shaqued_almond
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 9:21 am
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It could be emotional. Try to have her go for a few days at certain intervals, like an hour after drinking water or every 2 hours even if she doesn't feel the need to go yet. This might sensitize her to the feeling of pressure so she'll go before it becomes unbearable. As far as exercises, maybe yoga would help. Also look up postpartum pelvic exercises.
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Mommy1:)
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 9:22 am
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Please have her evaluated by a urologist. There could be other issues that pelvic floor exercises would not resolve.
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little neshamala
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 9:32 am
OP if it really is a pelvic floor problem then I HIGHLY recommend the MUTU system, which is a program of excercises designed to strengthen ones core and pelvic floor-its really aimed at women who have a diastasis recti, because she helps the diastasis recti close through strengthening the pelvic floor and inner core. One of the symptoms she discusses is weak pelvic floor and peeing. Her excercises are designed for this.
Google it, go on the website and contact them with questions-theyre very available to help you figure out if this is a suitable program.
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InnerMe
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 9:42 am
| amother wrote: | The following post may be TMI, or may be considered vulgar by some on this site. If that includes you, please skip on by. To the OP:
I missed almost every time until I was 14. It was terribly embarrassing.
I did do kegels. It didn't help my particular problem:
You see, when I was being potty trained, my mother would become very stressed over the matter. I just wanted to play... And play... And play... Until it was too late, I couldn't move, I had to GO.
I distinctly remember once my mother running holding me under the armpits to the bathroom, muttering angrily. I remember the feeling of not being able to hold it in while bouncing in her hands, and crying because it was all so hopeless.
It may be that I did have something medical then, but the problem persisted up and through my teen years until one day I was caught far from a bathroom in sleep-away camp. I felt the urge to pee, and I felt the usual wash of hopelessness, and then I decided that I wasn't going to pee myself. Instead of crossing my legs like I normally did, I focused on not letting my pee drop from my bladder. I focused, and found I could walk, and I walked... And I made it!!!!! It was the most exhilarating feeling of freedom.
And I can't help wondering: what if potty training had been a more reassuring process? What if I hadn't been shamed for it? What if I didn't need to accept that I couldn't hold it in? Why did I spend years bring teased because I smelled, being terrified to drink water in case I would pee, getting used to wet underwear and clothing?
I posted this because I wanted to put out there that seemingly medical issues may sometimes be psychological, or even just bad training. Even though I didn't feel a horror of peeing, I had simply never learned how. Never. I'd only learned how to miss, and I thought that was there process by which one peed, and that I was just weird that I couldn't hold it in, and I accepted it as truth because that was all I knew. I didn't know to pay attention to the feeling before it became drastically urgent.
Your daughter may need kegel exercises. She also may need coaching and problem-solving strategies. She absolutely needs your undying support and love, so that she feels safe in this matter.
Talk to her, and hatzlacha getting through this! |
This is far from crass and vulgar and very relevant to this discussion.
Hugs to that little girl. 
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amother
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 9:44 am
| amother wrote: | The following post may be TMI, or may be considered vulgar by some on this site. If that includes you, please skip on by. To the OP:
I missed almost every time until I was 14. It was terribly embarrassing.
I did do kegels. It didn't help my particular problem:
You see, when I was being potty trained, my mother would become very stressed over the matter. I just wanted to play... And play... And play... Until it was too late, I couldn't move, I had to GO.
I distinctly remember once my mother running holding me under the armpits to the bathroom, muttering angrily. I remember the feeling of not being able to hold it in while bouncing in her hands, and crying because it was all so hopeless.
It may be that I did have something medical then, but the problem persisted up and through my teen years until one day I was caught far from a bathroom in sleep-away camp. I felt the urge to pee, and I felt the usual wash of hopelessness, and then I decided that I wasn't going to pee myself. Instead of crossing my legs like I normally did, I focused on not letting my pee drop from my bladder. I focused, and found I could walk, and I walked... And I made it!!!!! It was the most exhilarating feeling of freedom.
And I can't help wondering: what if potty training had been a more reassuring process? What if I hadn't been shamed for it? What if I didn't need to accept that I couldn't hold it in? Why did I spend years bring teased because I smelled, being terrified to drink water in case I would pee, getting used to wet underwear and clothing?
I posted this because I wanted to put out there that seemingly medical issues may sometimes be psychological, or even just bad training. Even though I didn't feel a horror of peeing, I had simply never learned how. Never. I'd only learned how to miss, and I thought that was there process by which one peed, and that I was just weird that I couldn't hold it in, and I accepted it as truth because that was all I knew. I didn't know to pay attention to the feeling before it became drastically urgent.
Your daughter may need kegel exercises. She also may need coaching and problem-solving strategies. She absolutely needs your undying support and love, so that she feels safe in this matter.
Talk to her, and hatzlacha getting through this! |
OMG! Thats absolutely horrible. I dont think its anything I did training her, were pretty chilled out here, accidents happen and life moves on. Last week when this incident happened at school, I picked her up and got her a slurpee on the way home because I could see she needed it. Talked her through it and hope shes over it. I dont think shes traumatized.
For all those suggesting a urologist, I asked my dr and he saw no reason to go. 95% of the time she is fine, I don't need to remind her, she goes on her own etc, doesn't seem crazy often, but that 5% is what I am trying to fix..
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 10:48 am
| amother wrote: | | For all those suggesting a urologist, I asked my dr and he saw no reason to go. 95% of the time she is fine, I don't need to remind her, she goes on her own etc, doesn't seem crazy often, but that 5% is what I am trying to fix.. |
If you don't need a referral to see a specialist, I would make an appointment to see a urologist anyway. Just for piece of mind and to rule out any issues.
GPs don't know everything.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 1:33 pm
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You asked for exercise:she can sit on a small chair where her feet are firmly on the floor. Put a large ball between the knees(preferably more of a kids ball than a basketball or beach ball.not too hard or soft). Squeeze the ball for 5 seconds and release. Reapeat a few times. Should do it at least once a day. Its one exercise we were told to do with my daughter who had UTI.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 1:44 pm
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You should be working with a PT/ OT who is comfortable working on these issues. Random exercises from women on line won't be helpful, and may even be harmful. This is a sensitive topic and issue, and should be handled professionally and delicately.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 2:02 pm
Amother brunette I agree.
We went through a lot with DD recurring utis,including preventive medication and biofeedback sessions . One of the issues was that she did not completely empty out. This was one exercise we were told to do at home to strengthen and also make her more aware of muscle control in that area.
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simcha2
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 4:33 pm
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Could she be constipated? That can sometimes interfere with the signals from the bladder.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 5:21 pm
| amother wrote: | Amother brunette I agree.
We went through a lot with DD recurring utis,including preventive medication and biofeedback sessions . One of the issues was that she did not completely empty out. This was one exercise we were told to do at home to strengthen and also make her more aware of muscle control in that area. |
I hear you, however its not a daily issue and I am currently 8 months pregnant and cannot go to a specialist easily, especially if my dr sees no need. thats why I was looking for something to work with at home for now. thank you for understanding
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amother
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 5:49 pm
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Yes constipation was also an issue in our case. It blocks the area. I guess it can also cause mixed signals too.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 5:58 pm
I'm sure you'll figure out which exercises to do with her. Whatever you do, make sure you take care of it now.z
I was still having trouble with this issue in high school upper grades until finally went to specialist in urology and did specific exercises and had limited medication that helped me control so I had the extra minute to get to a bathroom.
Unspeakable embarrassment. Literally was more traumatic for me than the molestation incident in 11th grade. Like I go to therapy for one thing but never could bring myself to talk about the trouble holding it in.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 23 2018, 6:50 pm
Katy Bowman has an amazing DVD you can order called “Nutritious movement for a healthy pelvis.”
She demonstrates lots of great, easy exercises she can do at home and even better, explains how making changes to the way we move and sit throughout the day can make a huge difference.
Hatzlahah rabbah!
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newbie
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Sun, Nov 04 2018, 9:35 am
Below Your Belt: How to be Queen of your Pelvic Region https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/09.....E4QHA
This book is recommended by the founder of the MUTU system which was mentioned here. It is aimed specifically at girls the age of your daughter and deals with the pelvic floor. Maybe it’s worth looking into.
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amother
Lemon
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Mon, Nov 19 2018, 8:39 pm
update..I took all of ur advice and shlepped down to a pediatric urologist. bh her kidneys and bladder look perfect and shes emptying herself properly. she thinks my daughter may be constipated since , when asked, she didnt remember the last timr she pooped. I think my daughter was just embarrassed. so she wants me to do a "cleanse ". 64 ounces miralax over 24 hrs then a dose a day for a month. im hesitant...especially since she doesnt complain abt constipation.
I think shes not getting the proper messages about when to go . because at the dr, she asked her if she needed to pish and my daughter said no, and she sent her anyways and she went 10 ounces..
thoughts?
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