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EsaEinai
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 Thu, Feb 07 2008, 4:17 pm
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they say jews learn the entire torah in the womb and then the malach touches them below the nose to make them forget all they learned, and thats why we have that mark between our nose and lips. what about non jews? they also have that mark, do they learn torah in the womb too?
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GetReal
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Thu, Feb 07 2008, 4:27 pm
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I looked that up once. It actually doesn't say the malach touches below the nose; it says the malach hits the mouth. I couldn't find a source anywhere that says the mark comes from that.
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amother
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Thu, Feb 07 2008, 5:36 pm
| amother wrote: | | They watch movies. | No, I think they receive the Cliff Notes after they're born, so they can catch up.
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cassandra
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Thu, Feb 07 2008, 5:36 pm
| amother wrote: | | They watch movies. |
Funny.
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miriamnechama
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Thu, Feb 07 2008, 6:32 pm
| amother wrote: | | amother wrote: | | They watch movies. | No, I think they receive the Cliff Notes after they're born, so they can catch up. |
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miriamnechama
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Thu, Feb 07 2008, 6:33 pm
| GetReal wrote: | | I looked that up once. It actually doesn't say the malach touches below the nose; it says the malach hits the mouth. I couldn't find a source anywhere that says the mark comes from that. |
that's by boys.. that's why we have a shalom zachor.
by girls  
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Mommy3.5
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Thu, Feb 07 2008, 8:57 pm
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I forget the actual source for this, but I was taught that all babies, jewish or not learn the torah in the womb. They then are punched and forget. The reason for the forgetting is to ensure a persons bechira.
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miriamnechama
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Thu, Feb 07 2008, 11:26 pm
| Mommy3.5 wrote: | | I forget the actual source for this, but I was taught that all babies, jewish or not learn the torah in the womb. They then are punched and forget. The reason for the forgetting is to ensure a persons bechira. |
if so by girls too so why do boys get teh whole shtick including shalom zachor and girls only a kiddush??
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amother
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Thu, Feb 07 2008, 11:57 pm
| EsaEinai wrote: | | they say jews learn the entire torah in the womb and then the malach touches them below the nose to make them forget all they learned, and thats why we have that mark between our nose and lips. what about non jews? they also have that mark, do they learn torah in the womb too? |
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GetReal
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Thu, Feb 07 2008, 11:59 pm
Amother, it's in the Gemara.
It doesn't mention the dent under the nose, it says the malach hits the baby on the mouth.
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trafficgal
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Fri, Feb 08 2008, 9:26 am
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what about the stories of the really smart kids who have no thing under their nose and then get brought to a Rebbe and come out of the room with the thing and lack of the wisdom???
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Mommy3.5
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Sat, Feb 09 2008, 9:51 pm
"As I tap you on the lip,
You will forget me.
Your on your own,
I(ts up to you..."
-- Abie Rotenberg in Neshamala
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