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amother


 

Post Mon, May 04 2009, 10:05 am
Why can't a jaundiced baby have a bris? where is the danger?

DS's bilirubin was at 12.5 the day before his bris and the mohel said that if both the doctor and the rabbi were ok with it, then he'd do it. I can't remember if I asked his doctor, but his rabbi said it was fine.

So what's the issue? is it dangerous? why?
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momomany




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, May 04 2009, 10:21 am
I dont have a clear answer for you re: jaundice and a bris, but a bilirubin of12.5 at 7 days old is not a danger at all! My baby's bris was delayed when he was at 17, down from 20. At 12.5, at a week old, the baby is usually not even treated for jaundice.
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amother


 

Post Wed, May 06 2009, 1:51 pm
Jaundice in Newborn

The requisite time for a bris is on the eighth day after birth, as it specifically says "And on the eighth day he shall have his foreskin circumcised" (Leviticus 12:3). Hence, if circumcision was performed prior to the eighth day, it is considered invalid, thereby requiring "Hatofas Dam Bris," - drawing a drop of blood.

Yet, there are certain situations where Halacha prohibits the bris from being performed on the eighth day. In such cases the Bris is postponed to a later date. In these delayed situations, the postponed date becomes the proper halachik date to the extent that some rabbinical authorities say that a bris done prior to its proper halachik date may be considered invalid, requiring Dam Bris.

The most common reason for postponing the bris is a condition called Jaundice, where the infant’s skin and eyes have a yellowish appearance. The Halacha states that with this condition, and when the child’s health is in doubt, we postpone the bris -­­ for a bris can always be done on a later date, but we can never return a life. We have also seen this emphasized by the Rebbe, that whenever there is a doubt, or even if there are opposing opinions by a Rabbi, a Mohel or a Physician as to the child’s health, the Rebbe writes that the proper thing to do is to postpone the bris for the above mentioned reason.


Major Causes

Throughout life, and especially just after birth, the body generates, breaks down and regenerates red blood cells. One of their functions is to carry oxygen from the lungs through the blood stream to the tissues of the body. When the cells break down, a substance in the red cells known as hemoglobin is released and is changed into a yellow toxin entity called bilirubin. This is normally removed by the liver and is discharged from the body in the stool, through the bowels. Hence, if the baby's liver is not fully functioning, or if there is some other sort of abnormality, the bilirubin will build up in the baby's bloodstream, causing the skin and the whites of the eyes to become yellow in appearance.

This color change progresses from head to toe, so an infant with mild jaundice may appear yellow only on his face, while one with severe jaundice will be yellow over his or her entire body. After being processed by the liver, most bilirubin is removed from the body in the stool, through the bowels. Anything that increases the number of bowel movements (such as frequent feedings) will help excrete the bilirubin.


Terms and conditions

“Physiologic jaundice” is a commonly used term for mild jaundice. Newborn infants often accumulate bilirubin because the activity of the liver is low at birth. It usually appears on the second or third day of life and peaks during the second half of the first week in full-term and near-term infants. This jaundice will often disappear within a week with­out any treatment.

“Pathologic jaundice” is a term used to describe a condition which is caused by an illness or other medical prob­lem. For example, if a mother and baby have different blood types, the mother may pro­duce "antibodies" that destroy the newborn's red blood cells. This condition, called "Blood Group Incompatibility," can cause a sudden, serious increase in bilirubin.

Excessive jaundice, which is also called “sever hyperbilirubinemia” can lead to “Kernicterus,” a potentially irreversible bilirubin-induced neurological dysfunction (brain damage) and, if not treated, may even be fatal. The clinical risk factor for this condition includes early onset of jaundice within 24 hours of birth; a previously jaundiced sibling; East Asian dissent; male gender and more.

Jaundice and Breastfeeding

Jaundice is often caused by a baby not getting enough breast milk. Because he or she is not consuming enough, sufficient stool is not forming and the bilirubin cannot be removed from the body. The best way to treat this is by breastfeeding more frequently (at least 8 to 12 times per day). This will cause more stool to be formed, the bowels to move more often and remove the bilirubin from the baby's body. Giving extra water will not help.

Late onset of jaundice can be seen in the second and third weeks of life. Bilirubin levels remain higher than normal, but almost never reach a dangerous level. This is probably due to a substance in the breast milk that interferes with the removal of bilirubin. Usually no treatment is necessary for this type of jaundice. Occasionally a mother may be asked to stop nursing for 1 or 2 days and use an alternative feeding method. (It is important for the mother to use a pump during this time so she can begin to breastfeed again as soon as the bilirubin level has fallen).


Jaundice as a reason to postpone the Bris

Because jaundice is a symptom of some type of abnormality in the body - an indication of an increased level of bilirubin in the blood - all conditions of Jaundice should be closely monitored. Conditions will vary from minimal or slight risk to dangerously high and life threatening. One should always consult a Mohel or a physician when jaundice is detected. You may find the Mohel to be more stringent in this manner often postponing the bris even though the doctor permits the circumcision.

The severity of jaundice and its effect on the timing of a bris can be divided into three categories.

1. The first level is a slight jaundice that has already peeked and is now decreasing. This condition, in itself, is of no concern. A Bilirubin count of 10mg/dL or less in an otherwise healthy full term infant will generally not postpone an eighth-day bris.


2. The next level of jaundice is a slightly stronger yellow appearance. Here, the bilirubin count is anywhere from 11mg/dL to 15mg/dL. At this level there are two medical opinions regarding circumcision. One says that it still is considered within the normal range and will probably clear by itself, thereby allowing circumcision to be performed. The other will not permit circumcision. They say one should first wait for the jaundice to clear, as all non-critical surgeries are postponed with any signs of abnormality. They also point out that jaundice may be a sign of low oxygen level in the blood. Oxygen in the blood is an importing agent in the healing process. At this level of jaundice, or whenever the infant’s health is in doubt, we postpone the bris until the day after the condition clears.


3. The third level of jaundice is when the bilirubin toxin reaches extremely high levels. At 15mg/dL and higher these levels can cause brain damage to the child if not controlled. In most such cases, the child is sent back to the hospital for phototherapy. This condition is considered to be a general illness and therefore the bris is postponed for seven full days from when the bilirubin level drops to about 10mg/dL or less.

One should always consult a Mohel prior to setting a bris date. In different countries there may be different levels of tolerance - some more tolerant and some less. However, in the US, the above mentioned levels are generally accepted by most Mohalim.
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8mom




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, May 06 2009, 4:50 pm
My ds had his bris at 13 weeks old. (His brothers were 10 weeks and 9 weeks). His face was still noticeably yellow but the mohel asked a sha'aloh and was told to go ahead with it. dh asked the mohel afterwards if the bris was different because ds was so old and the mohel said no, but he bled much more than usual because he was still jaundiced. It took about another week or so for the jaundice to go completely.
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SomebodyElse




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, May 06 2009, 5:20 pm
Sometimes it's dangerous, and sometimes it isn't -- there are different kinds of jaundice. See this article.

As amother posted, the halacha seems to be that you should wait. Our pediatrician said we could go ahead, but the mohel insisted on waiting weeks longer.
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Raisin




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, May 06 2009, 6:04 pm
some mohelim are stricter then others. the mohel we use is very strict, but my friend sent me pics of her baby's bris and he was bright yellow.
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