Does anyone know of a movie made by a muslim that portrays a muslim jewish friendship and shows the yidden in a positive light?
Filmmakers are afraid of Muslims, even especially Muslim filmmakers are afraid of Muslims. No one wants to be the next Theo van Gogh. If you make Jews look decent in a Muslim film, you're treading on mighty thin ice...
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Does anyone know of a movie made by a muslim that portrays a muslim jewish friendship and shows the yidden in a positive light?
Filmmakers are afraid of Muslims, even Muslim filmmakers are afraid of Muslims. No one wants to be the next Theo van Gogh. If you make Jews look decent in a Muslim film, you're treading on mighty thin ice...
Um yep. Again.
Muslim comes to aide of Jew.
Again. Does it show the other side? Jews coming to the rescue of a Muslim? Jews in positive light? Not as victim or villian but as victor, hero, etc.? How many films depict Orthodox Jews in a good light? Frum Jews? Very few. Not that there aren't any, but very few.
Just reread your post and I realize that you've seen the movie. So it doesn't portray Jews in a positive light? Tell us all about it, as you're the only one here who's seen it. Edjumacate me.
I'm thinking that the glass isn't just half empty for you.
I've noticed a basic pattern when it comes to Jews, and this is doubly true of Frum Jews. We are either depicted as villians or victims, but we can't be heros, with few exceptions. I think this is an overall social pattern that has bothered me for quite awhile.
Frum Jews are rarely depicted in a postive light in any film, again with a few exceptions. We are denigrated, seen as regressive, and those who aren't are usually fighting their regressive families and friends.
I'm not saying there can be no conflict, but does the conflict always have to come at the expense of our religion? Can't we battle an illness? Can't we show frum familes coming together to work together to over come an obstacle? Jews working side by side with non-Jews to overcome a disaster without having to mention Judaism as an obstacle?
Your post was in response to my specific link to a specific movie. I'm assuming you have a problem with the way Jews were portrayed in this movie. Please elaborate. I didn't post anything in the general discussion with regards to Jews in films, I merely posted a link to a specific movie in response to a comment about Muslim filmmakers. So what's wrong with the movie? I haven't seen it, and you seem to know more about it.
Your post was in response to my specific link to a specific movie. I'm assuming you have a problem with the way Jews were portrayed in this movie. Please elaborate. I didn't post anything in the general discussion with regards to Jews in films, I merely posted a link to a specific movie in response to a comment about Muslim filmmakers. So what's wrong with the movie? I haven't seen it, and you seem to know more about it.
Your post was in response to my specific link to a specific movie. I'm assuming you have a problem with the way Jews were portrayed in this movie. Please elaborate. I didn't post anything in the general discussion with regards to Jews in films, I merely posted a link to a specific movie in response to a comment about Muslim filmmakers. So what's wrong with the movie? I haven't seen it, and you seem to know more about it.
That one I didn't see. I've been kind of off movies for awhile now and I am being more and more choosy in what I watch. I was reading the info about it and from what is stated it seems like a "Muslim protects Jewish family" I'm trying to find out more.
It is an overall feeling I have that we as Jews are either victims or villians in many people's eyes, not all, but the eyes of many.
Um yep. Again.
Muslim comes to aide of Jew.
Again. Does it show the other side? Jews coming to the rescue of a Muslim? Jews in positive light? Not as victim or villian but as victor, hero, etc.? How many films depict Orthodox Jews in a good light? Frum Jews? Very few. Not that there aren't any, but very few.
Then maybe before you post this "um yep again" stuff you should see the movie. I posted about a movie that appears to portray a really positive relationship between Jews and Muslims. If you can manage to put a negative spin on that, without even seeing the movie, then you have a gift.
There aren't a lot of frum filmmakers, although there are plenty of Jewish filmmakers. Maybe if more frum Jews made movies, then people would see a more accurate glimpse into that world. Otherwise, all of the movies are made by outsiders, some of whom will have positive feelings about the culture, and some of whom will have negative feelings. Anyway, let's be honest here. It goes both ways. We've all read some searing indictments of non-Jews here, as well as of non-frum-Jews. Ignorance abounds on all sides.
Um yep. Again.
Muslim comes to aide of Jew.
Again. Does it show the other side? Jews coming to the rescue of a Muslim? Jews in positive light? Not as victim or villian but as victor, hero, etc.? How many films depict Orthodox Jews in a good light? Frum Jews? Very few. Not that there aren't any, but very few.
Then maybe before you post this "um yep again" stuff you should see the movie. I posted about a movie that appears to portray a really positive relationship between Jews and Muslims. If you can manage to put a negative spin on that, without even seeing the movie, then you have a gift.
There aren't a lot of frum filmmakers, although there are plenty of Jewish filmmakers. Maybe if more frum Jews made movies, then people would see a more accurate glimpse into that world. Otherwise, all of the movies are made by outsiders, some of whom will have positive feelings about the culture, and some of whom will have negative feelings. Anyway, let's be honest here. It goes both ways. We've all read some searing indictments of non-Jews here, as well as of non-frum-Jews. Ignorance abounds on all sides.
From the website you sent; I wasn't suppose to believe it was a valid statement? You hadn't seen the film then how do you know it showed Jews in a positive light except from the film? So if you saw the film, correct my error, if not then you sent a site that had a film with the concept that it showed Jews in a positive light based on a review. If not the correct my misapprehension.
Quote:
1960 Casablanca. Jews are surreptitiously emigrating to Israel in search of a better life. The sawmill owned by Brahim, a Muslim, and Henry, his Jewish business partner, is failing. Henry decides to try his luck in Israel. Before leaving on an illegal boat, he entrusts his family to Brahim, who will be called on to prove his true friendship when Henry dies.
I think the filmmaker was going for a positive portrayal of a friendship between two families. They're in business together, they're intimately involved in eachother's lives (I read a few articles about it) and they're committed to being there for one another. I can't find anything negative in it. If you can, good for you. Don't see it, if the description bothers you. I'm happy to see a Muslim filmmaker making a movie about friendships between Jews and Muslims. I choose to see it as something good.
I watched the movie after watching the making of the movie and discovering that the executive producer (the frum girl who wrote the story) was my classmate. the producer (mr. schaefer) upset me by saying in that short film that the movie was filmed "while israel was bombing lebanon". I rather remember being bombarded by lebanon two summers ago and not vice-versa.
the movie itself is pretty shallow and doesn't say anything about anyone, unless you'd like to suggest that frum girls have less confidence than their muslim peers, but I enjoyed it nevertheless.
Well, Leibel Cohen is doing a great job in portraying frum people in a positive light, firstly with the wonderful "agent emes" aeries for our kids, and for adults there's "advice and dissent", which I am copying the youtube trailer to here, and he also made "the permeable man". They are not very long movies, but a good start and quite entertaining.
