DD is 11, Kriah slow but pretty accurate

amother

Wed, Sep 27 2023, 1:12 pm

She hates reading Hebrew and I don’t blame her.
She’s been tested all the years and the school said at the end of fourth grade when their Kriah program ends rhat she’s accurate like she knows the rules but slow, they think because it’s hard for her to focus. (I think she has mild adhd so that would make sense given that it’s gobbledegook to the kids)
Any insight? Anything else I should look out for?
I bring it up because she’s in sixth grade and didn’t want to daven Shemone esri on RH. I told her fine, daven until shema.
Since the younger years it hasn’t come up practically in school so I was just reminded.
I don’t want this to be an issue for her if there’s something I can do to help her.
Is practice thr only way to gain fluency or is there something else going on?

mha3484

Wed, Sep 27 2023, 1:18 pm

If you think she has mild ADD do you see her struggle in any other area? Would it be with worth consulting with an MD for a low dose of medication? A consult doesnt mean you need to medicate but may be worth a conversation to start with.

amother

Wed, Sep 27 2023, 1:22 pm

mha3484 wrote:

She does great academically. Her weakness is shorashim and so far doing great otherwise as far as I can see. (Teachers never say anything I usually broach them)
She struggles with organization and focus mostly. She’s doing pretty ok now,she’s had some coaching and BH I see her integrating some skills. I have my eye out bec dh has adhd and struggles mightily. When I discussed with her pediatrician he didn’t think medication was necessary at this point so he didn’t think an Eval was necessary.
When is Eval important?
And what do you think about the Kriah issue?

mha3484

Wed, Sep 27 2023, 1:28 pm

I am only a mother of more then one kid with ADD/ADHD and one who struggled tremendously with reading, I am not an expert so take what I say with a grain of salt. If the lack of focus really effects her day to day life I cant see the downside of evaluating her but if she is overall doing well I don't know if I would spend the money.

I think kriah is extremely important for being able to keep up as she gets older and have self confidence. If my kids school basically said we cant help anymore and your instinct is saying this is really affecting her, I would see out a kriah/reading specialist and ask their opinion. Someone who doesnt work for the school.

oneofakind

Wed, Sep 27 2023, 1:59 pm

Doesn't matter what anyone says. If it's effecting her functioning, it should be investigated. A neuropsych is expensive ( if you have good insurance, you can submit the bill and see what happens) but can pinpoint - is this focusing? Language? Visual?
This will save time and energy of running to various evaluations and trying medication which may not help much if that isn't really root of this problem.

amother

Wed, Sep 27 2023, 2:34 pm

oneofakind wrote:

pediatrician against Neuro psych Eval
Isn’t that for a kid not doing well academically? Or is slow Kriah enough? I’d love for you all to elaborate hard to know who to trust because so so expensive

amother

Yolk

Wed, Sep 27 2023, 2:38 pm

DD13 is like this too. Slow but accurate. She reads English fast and well. Academically above average. I never did anything about it, it would be easier to read faster but I don’t consider it enough of a big deal to upend her life trying to solve it, if indeed it is solvable. My mother who is a first grade teacher and also a slow Hebrew reader says that some people just process slower.

tcdsv

Wed, Sep 27 2023, 3:04 pm

Slow but accurate in reading is a lack of fluency and definitely something you want to work with. It will be easier for her later on if she can develop fluency now. There are methods to teach to read with fluency, and I would suggest getting input from a kriah specialist

mha3484

Wed, Sep 27 2023, 3:08 pm

I personally struggle for a few reasons with kriah as an adult and it does effect myself confidence. BH my oldest son never needed homework help and my next two boys have amazing rebbeim that send home a teitch booklet but its not easy for me. Any help you can get her now will pay off when shes much older.

amother

Fuchsia

Wed, Sep 27 2023, 4:34 pm

I had the same with my dd in 6th as well. Slow Kriah but accurate. While it may be different issue, in my dds case prism glasses helped a lot. since we caught the problem so late (she was seeing double) the glasses have been helping her but it’s not a quick fix. She says she feels them working to pull her eyes to work together and we just went back to the eye dr to get the prism updated 6 months after her first visit.
OP, Can you ask dd if she sees double when she reads? Or if her eyes can’t keep the place?

amother

Wed, Sep 27 2023, 4:43 pm

mha3484 wrote:

I personally struggle for a few reasons with kriah as an adult and it does effect myself confidence. BH my oldest son never needed homework help and my next two boys have amazing rebbeim that send home a teitch booklet but it’s not easy for me. Any help you can get her now will pay off when shes much older.

I hope to help her I just don’t know what direction to go in

amother

Wed, Sep 27 2023, 4:44 pm

amother Fuchsia wrote:

I can ask her
Why would it affect Kriah and not English?

amother

Ghostwhite

Wed, Sep 27 2023, 5:06 pm

amother OP wrote:

I can ask her
Why would it affect Kriah and not English?

My guess is that she's developed a great sight word repertoire for English because it is her native language and she understands the words. Also reading Hebrew incuding nekudos means your eyes are focusing up and down constantly as well as right to left.

amother

Wed, Sep 27 2023, 8:12 pm

amother Ghostwhite wrote:

ok I asked her about the seeing double she said no but will think about the vision stuff

amother

Wed, Sep 27 2023, 8:17 pm

amother Fuchsia wrote:

what type of doctor? What made you check?

amother

Tue, Oct 17 2023, 2:11 am

Bump

I see already now after Sukkos that she’s having a hard time in Chumash class (a slew of factors) help
Her school doesn’t have resource room, I plan to call teacher and see what she has to offer

seeker

Tue, Oct 17 2023, 7:59 am

amother Fuchsia wrote:

Prism glasses need to be combined with vision therapy, they're only a crutch to help you get by while working on the real issue.

DD's reading and stamina did improve with this but only partially. There must be several pieces of this puzzle but I do feel it helped and I'm glad we treated it while young just in case.

She graduated from vision therapy after I think a little over a year, and stopped using the glasses about halfway through.