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PinkFridge
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Tue, Feb 02 2010, 9:49 am
Entropy, interesting. Someone told me that her son (family doesn't have clear mesorahs) asked a noted rav about upsherin and he said it's become minhag hamakom. Even his own grandchildren have had the upsherin because it's become so de riguer. That said, I guess that living where we do we could get away without it. (We're not yekkish so maybe not germaine. And btw, do yekkes find the term yekke distasteful?)
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ClaRivka
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Tue, Feb 02 2010, 9:52 am
how do you register on the site?
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Ruchel
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Tue, Feb 02 2010, 9:54 am
Yup. My dh plan to write them to say there are definitely a minority of Yekkes who have this tradition, without any contact to Israel or to chassidus. Even google brings up stuff about some communities doing vimpel AND haircut.
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red sea
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Tue, Feb 02 2010, 1:04 pm
very interesting site, thnx ruchel.
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sarahd
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Tue, Feb 02 2010, 1:28 pm
Ruchel wrote: | Yup. My dh plan to write them to say there are definitely a minority of Yekkes who have this tradition, without any contact to Israel or to chassidus. Even google brings up stuff about some communities doing vimpel AND haircut. |
BTW, did you know that wimpel was originally a minhag in all Ashkenazic communities and after the Chmelnitzki massacres the Eastern European communities dropped it?
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Ruchel
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Tue, Feb 02 2010, 1:30 pm
sarahd wrote: | Ruchel wrote: | Yup. My dh plan to write them to say there are definitely a minority of Yekkes who have this tradition, without any contact to Israel or to chassidus. Even google brings up stuff about some communities doing vimpel AND haircut. |
BTW, did you know that wimpel was originally a minhag in all Ashkenazic communities and after the Chmelnitzki massacres the Eastern European communities dropped it? |
Wow, didn't know! Then it makes sense even more.
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chavamom
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Tue, Feb 02 2010, 1:56 pm
sarahd wrote: | Ruchel wrote: | Yup. My dh plan to write them to say there are definitely a minority of Yekkes who have this tradition, without any contact to Israel or to chassidus. Even google brings up stuff about some communities doing vimpel AND haircut. |
BTW, did you know that wimpel was originally a minhag in all Ashkenazic communities and after the Chmelnitzki massacres the Eastern European communities dropped it? |
Why did they drop it at that point?
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sarahd
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Tue, Feb 02 2010, 2:31 pm
IIRC, it was felt that it was too inappropriately happy.
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shiradye
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Wed, Feb 03 2010, 8:13 am
Thanks so much, Ruchel!!!
My grandfather wrote the Furth article--he is now over 91, b'li ayin hara. He recently sent me tapes of his life, narrated by him, so that I should type it up. I'm working on it, too slowly.
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entropy
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Wed, Feb 03 2010, 8:26 am
Ruchel wrote: | Yup. My dh plan to write them to say there are definitely a minority of Yekkes who have this tradition, without any contact to Israel or to chassidus. Even google brings up stuff about some communities doing vimpel AND haircut. |
I don't understand how you rule out contact with EY and/or Chassidus.
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freidasima
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Wed, Feb 03 2010, 8:34 am
Wow the site is fascinating! Thanks Ruchel!
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Hashem_Yaazor
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Wed, Feb 03 2010, 8:58 am
I know at least 2 of the contributors I realized...
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Ruchel
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Thu, Feb 04 2010, 11:36 am
I just found a site saying the wimpel started being widespread "around 1500" (which sounds right) "in Spain and in Italy". Which sounds weird because Jews had already been expulsed of Spain, and I don't know of any Sefardim who do it, and the only Italian Jews who do it are Yekke...
The site quotes a certain Antonin of Regensberg who wrote "Jews' Faith" in 1530 and mentions the wimpel. First Jewish source is the Maharil.
This site mentions wimpel and haircut http://www.wimpel.org/history.html
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