"Fake views" | Imamother

Reesa

Sun, Apr 16 2017, 11:32 am

After reading some responses on a recent thread, my thoughts were that we have some really strong level-headed members on this forum who give thoughtful and helpful advice. They are sympathetic when necessary and tough when needed. They call out posters who are abusive to others and stick up for what's right.
Then we have some other posters whose views are just wrong and incorrect. They may have poor assessment skills or may be suffering themselves or just plain not nice people. The result is that they end up hurting people and calling out good people for inaccurate wrongdoing.
Is there anything to be done or is this a problem of everyone thinks they are brilliant and knows it all. Does it take humility or intellect or both to recognize when you are on target and when you are not equipped to dispense advice?

chicco

Sun, Apr 16 2017, 12:04 pm

That's how people are in real life too. All we can do is use our own intellect and humility as you put it, to understand where things are coming from and not allow them to hurt us. It's not the idiots dispensing the advice or comments that is harmful, it's the idiots who listen. Anyone should be thoughtful before following through on a recommendation of a random person on the internet, wise or otherwise. And the same to the hurtful comments.

cnc

Sun, Apr 16 2017, 12:36 pm

Reesa wrote:

Except that everyone thinks that the level-headed ones are themselves and the differing opinions are incorrect. LOL

amother

Peach

Sun, Apr 16 2017, 1:05 pm

We have posters "whose views are just wrong and incorrect"

Think about that statement op, who says they are wrong?you! Who are you to judge? Let each person who posts judge for themselves.

Like others posted, most ppl. Think they are correct and others are wrong. In life, we need to be tolerant of those whose viewpoints may be different or conflicting with ours, but to be judge mental and say others are wrong without knowing them, their experiences etc. Is harsh and we are supposed to have achdut and be sympathetic towards others without judging them until you are in their shoes!!

Obviously in real life, you probably wouldn't be friends with people whose views are conflicting with yours, but here people can express their views even if you think it is wrong, it may be "correct" according to others.

Reesa

Sun, Apr 16 2017, 1:15 pm

wrong is when you are the op and people misinterpret your situation and rebuke you for things that don't apply and give people who are correct an earful.

greenfire

Sun, Apr 16 2017, 2:53 pm

everybody thinks their way is the right way ... otherwise they wouldn't be thinking

now a bigger person would admit if they change their point of view based on hearing other opinions ... but that is a rare happenstance

Aylat

Mon, Apr 17 2017, 11:33 pm

This is why I don't post about personal situations where I am completely at a loss. Because I worry that I won't be able to judge which are the on-target level-headed responses and which are the completely unhelpful ones. I would rather get IRL advice from someone I trust. Not always easy depending on the nature of the situation.

amother

Purple

Tue, Apr 18 2017, 6:24 pm

Democrats vs Republicans
Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice
Chasidim vs Misnagdim
Satmar vs Chabad
Men vs Women
Religion vs Atheists
Orthodox vs Secular
Palestinians vs Israel
Muslims vs Jews
Minorities vs Whites

And the list goes on.. So how do you determine who is right and who is wrong? Is there a test or specific criteria for you to determine who has poor assessment skills and/or isnt a nice person?

Reesa

Tue, Apr 18 2017, 6:44 pm

amother wrote:

are the bolded really unclear which is right?

amother

Purple

Tue, Apr 18 2017, 9:24 pm

Reesa wrote:

are the bolded really unclear which is right?

Depends on who you ask. Jews are in Galus and do no have control over anything that happens until Moshiach comes (so you cant say that being pro-life or religious is right since we cant force ourselves/our religious beliefs onto anyone). The Satmar Rebbe did not believe that Jews should have a state of their own so he was against Israel. The Neturei Kartei are against Israel as well and side with Muslims/Iran. etc. etc. .

Even when it comes to psychology, we have various opinions and theories (I.e. behavioral, analytical, etc.) because psychologists do not agree with one another. You can get several different diagnoses depending on the subjective opinion of the therapists you are seeing and what kind of therapy they practice.

So what makes your opinions or point of view about anything right or accurate?

behappy2

Tue, Apr 18 2017, 9:37 pm

amother wrote:

Depends on who you ask. Jews are in Galus and do no have control over anything that happens until Moshiach comes. The Satmar Rebbe did not believe that Jews should have a state of their own so he was against Israel. The Neturei Kartei are against Israel as well and side with Muslims/Iran. etc. etc. .

Even when it comes to psychology, we have various opinions and theories (I.e. behavioral, analytical, etc.) because psychologists do not agree with one another. You can get several different diagnoses depending on the subjective opinion of the therapists you are seeing and what kind of therapy they practice.

So what makes your opinions or point of view about anything right or accurate?

Sorry. All jews including satmar chassidim hold that the neturei karta are crazy and anti Torah. Some things are really not debatable. Like is it or isnt it ok to blow yourself up and kill innocent ppl?!

amother

Purple

Tue, Apr 18 2017, 9:57 pm

behappy2 wrote:

Not all Jews think Neturei Karta is crazy, many Jews are anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/.....t-jew

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.....09425

http://ideas.time.com/2011/09/.....rael/

And we blow people up all the time, it is called war. some cultures do it via suicide bombers others do it via the military. Why is it okay for the military to blow up innocent people?

Iymnok

Tue, Apr 18 2017, 11:02 pm

amother wrote:

Neturei Karta is a fringe group that broke off from Satmar, radicalizing some f the Rebbe's teachings.
There is a smaller fringe group that broke off from them who go shake hands with and hug terrorists. When they came back from their first visit with Ahmadenejad, they were not welcomed back in their Shul, Ohel Sarah. So they started a new Shul that is called by others Ohel Hagar.
(I know this from when there were renovations on dh's Kollel, they went to learn in Ohel Sarah and were told the whole story.)

amother

Royalblue

Wed, Apr 19 2017, 4:57 am

amother wrote:

We do not blow people up because of their ideology or the way they think or feel. We only fight in wars against others who we perceive as a threat to our existence. I don't think there's any doubt that there are several countries that want to wipe us out for no other reason other then we are jews. Other religions will murder people because of their beliefs. An apostate (non believer) is killied in the Muslim world. Hundreds of millions of Muslims hold by this.

amother

Royalblue

Wed, Apr 19 2017, 6:51 am

amother wrote:

It's silly to pretend that there are 2 sides with regard to neturei karta. The fact that a tiny minority of jews support them does not establish a basis to claim "some jews support neturei karta". If I find 6 Muslims in Afghanistan that support gay marriage would I then have a right to claim "some Muslims in Afghanistan support gay marriage". I would have to include that the other 99.999% deem it worthy of a public beheading. What % of jews do you believe support the neturei karta? I belive it is a tiny fraction at best.