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Hashem_Yaazor ↓

Fri, May 16 2014, 9:58 am

(These are not all the pediatricians in Lakewood. I have never lived there, but even I know of at least one pediatrician there who disagrees with this premise and did not sign.)

↑ amother ↓

Fri, May 16 2014, 10:21 am

Hashem_Yaazor wrote:

(These are not all the pediatricians in Lakewood. I have never lived there, but even I know of at least one pediatrician there who disagrees with this premise and did not sign.)

That is my pediatrician who is excellent and has been practicing for over 30 years.

21young

Fri, May 16 2014, 11:08 am

Hashem_Yaazor wrote:

(These are not all the pediatricians in Lakewood. I have never lived there, but even I know of at least one pediatrician there who disagrees with this premise and did not sign.)

These are the main pediatricians in Lakewood. Yes, if you search through the surrounding townships you will find other pediatricians but these are the main pediatricians frequented by the Lakewood community, and they are respected as the medical authorities on our children. They are clearly stating that this is their stand and if you don't like it you can go search out someone working out of his barn in the surrounding suburbs.

Orchid

Fri, May 16 2014, 11:40 am

21young wrote:

What a strange and condescending comment.

↑ amother ↓

Fri, May 16 2014, 1:15 pm

I honestly feel bad for the guy who made the magazine along with his list of phony names in his magazine. He thought he was amazing that he made a magazine and mot most people are pretty annoyed at receiving it. He has not much else to do to keep him busy and now his claim to fame just failed. Anyone can print a magazine. Anyone can have it delivered to peoples home. Who has time? Only someone who truly is unwell and obviously needs help would create a magazine all with articles and ridiculous cartoons about one subject. Maybe he is suffering from the side affects of the vaccinations his mother made sure he received as a child. He also quoted R' kanievsky wrong. R' Kanievsky said that the UNvaccinated should be kept home - not the vaccinated!!

↑ amother ↓

Fri, May 16 2014, 1:37 pm

How do you know what r kanievksu said??

↑ amother ↓

Fri, May 16 2014, 1:38 pm

Sorry- how do you know what rabbi kanievsky said?

EmesOrNT

Fri, May 16 2014, 1:47 pm

So many threads about this magazine. I kinda wish I had seen it.

↑ amother ↓

Fri, May 16 2014, 1:54 pm

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(These are not all the pediatricians in Lakewood. I have never lived there, but even I know of at least one pediatrician there who disagrees with this premise and did not sign.)

OP here. I know that. That's why the title says "Some Lakewood Doctors". Also note they are not all peds - Dr. Preschel is, I believe, a GP.

But anyhow the one doctor I know of who is open-minded, considers the individual child, agrees to a spread-out schedule, does not lambast you if you are not willing to give the hepatitis and herpes shots etc., has a closed practice, because he's so busy, but BH he sees several of my grandchildren.

He is not anti-vax, BTW, but he is also not brainwashed! And - he sometimes sends people to chiropractors and homeopaths, too!

↑ amother ↓

Fri, May 16 2014, 2:08 pm

Whats the doctor's name that didnt sign?

↑ amother ↓

Fri, May 16 2014, 4:31 pm

Maybe its Dr. Eilenberg...he is the only one I can think of thats not on that list.

↑ amother ↓

Fri, May 16 2014, 5:15 pm

And even Dr. Eilenberg is not anti-vax, he is just more open to doing it on a different schedule. Back when he was still in Brooklyn, they did not support families who did not vaccinate, the only patients of theirs who did not vaccinate we're those who were allergic to components in the vaccine (according to his wife who ran his office).

↑ allrgymama

Fri, May 16 2014, 5:42 pm

And I'll add that both Chemed and indich's office delayed my daughter's vaccinations for the same reason, once her food allergies had been diagnosed and there was a possibility for a reaction because of that

Again, you have to trust your doctors to use their brains.

ElTam

Fri, May 16 2014, 5:49 pm

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herpes shots

There is no vaccine for herpes. And it is exactly this lack of basic knowledge that makes me doubt the ability of non-vaxxers to make well-informed decisions.

Nikki

Sat, May 17 2014, 10:14 pm

↑ Hashem_Yaazor ↓

Mon, May 19 2014, 10:54 am

Dr. Eilenberg is a tzadik. Heard that from a gadol hador Wink

And from the second hand accounts I received, he does not just agree to parents wanting a different schedule, but rather he himself doesn't start vaccinating on the typical schedule as his l'chatchila...there are various criteria he takes into account, and I think having more doctors like him would be a wonderful thing.

OP, I know you wrote "some". I wrote my comment after a poster or two said something about "all" the Lakewood doctors...

Simple1 ↓

Mon, May 19 2014, 11:00 am

amother wrote:

Most of us have heard about the Peach Magazine and those who objected to its contents.

Now, in the BP Weekly, Lakewood was treated to the following statement:
We the pediatricians that serve the families of the Lakewood Community are unwavering in our commitment to recommend, fully support and implement the immunization schedule, as per the proper guidelines of the ACIP and the American Academy of Pediatrics, in our roles of providing and advocating the correct and responsible care of all children.

Signed by all the doctors, PAs, NPs of the practices of Pediatric Affiliates (Dr. Shaik), Chemed, Dr. Gittleman, Dr. Preschel, Dr. Indich, and Westpark (Dr. Sasson and Topilow).

What I am wondering is why they have to shrei so loudly, as if chas vesholom anyone who so much as decided to vaccinate on a slower schedule or skip one of the shots for STD's etc, is committing a sin which is yehareg ve'al ya'avor. And, of course, no facts or counterarguments are offered, merely the fiat that we, the heiligeh doctors, have said so, and now all you obedient sheep who even thought of reading anything contradictory to our commands will promptly burn said material, erase all heretical thoughts from your minds, and comply!

(See, for example Dr. Mendelson, Confessions of a Medical Heretic. Dr. Mendelson was a frum Jew who trained at U of Chicago and taught at Northwestern University. He characterized the entire medical apparatus as akin to a church, where obedience is demanded and sacrifices are offered.

A friend told me that there was an interview with Dr. Shanik in one of the frum magazines. I don't subscribe, so I didn't see the article. But maybe there are more details in the article.

In any case I think such a statement is good for those of us who don't have the time to do the research and are trusting their doctors who went through a lot of schooling - to assure them that vaccines are safe. I'm sure the magazine made a lot of people nervous and confused. Seeing a simple statement from the doctors could be reassuring.

↑ amother ↓

Mon, May 19 2014, 11:04 am

Hashem_Yaazor wrote:

Dr. Eilenberg is a tzadik. Heard that from a gadol hador Wink

I use Dr. Eilenberg. I vaccinate all my kids, more or less on schedule. With my most recent newborn, I expressed some concerns about developmental milestones and Dr. Eilenberg told me to wait with vaccinating because of that. He explained that vaccines cause stress to the body systems and if the systems are already stressed (due to therapy or trying too hard to develop) it isn't worth it to vaccinate at that point.

↑ amother ↓

Mon, May 19 2014, 2:33 pm

The ami wrote on their cover response from dr. Shanik proving the magazine is all false statements and I was so excited to read it because I'm unsure about this issue myself.

The article was not even a page long and all it said was that the magazine is false. No proof, nothing. I was so disappointed.

To me this gives me more doubt rather than reassurance because why couldn't dr. Shanik prove it was wrong? I want to do what's right but I was hoping he would write something more than just trust me?

↑ amother ↓

Mon, May 19 2014, 2:36 pm

Another question I have and I want a response from another's who know the truth. Dr. Shamim wrote that the reason why these diseases like the measles and mumps are coming back to the states is because the people that are not vaccinated are getting it in other countries and bringing it back here. I remember reading on this site that vaccinated people brought it back to the states. Can someone help me with an honest answer?
Thanks

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