I'm FED UP...Should I change my kids to a different school?

amother

Mon, Oct 22 2012, 7:55 pm

Barbara wrote:

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I don't know where you work, but in my law firm, attorneys are in and out of each others' offices dozens of times each day to discuss matters. I expect the same of teachers. Anything else ties their hands and makes them less effective.

I work for a top law firm in the state I live in. Yes, we might ask each other questions about a case but we never mention the names of the parties involved unless the lawyer is directly on a case. That's a HUGE privacy violation. Why would another lawyer need to know the names of the parties involved?

Kfar

Mon, Oct 22 2012, 9:56 pm

lawyers in a firm need to know the names of each client before bringing on that client to do a "conflict check" -- a requirement so that the same firm is not representing both sides in any matter (or, if they are, then there is an informed waiver of the conflict where permitted by the clients). Representing opposing sides without that check and waiver (along with a "chinese wall" where required to keep the different lawyers apart) is a serious conflict of interest violation. Also, how do you bill a matter if you don't know the name and billing number?

OP, isn't the larger issue really that they bring in substitutes with little to no real credentials for "only" six weeks because of a personal relationship? What does that say about the overall quality of the education long term? Having had these kinds of (really aggravating) experiences before, I can very much sympathize!

amother

Mon, Oct 22 2012, 10:51 pm

Kfar wrote:

OP, isn't the larger issue really that they bring in substitutes with little to no real credentials for "only" six weeks because of a personal relationship? What does that say about the overall quality of the education long term? Having had these kinds of (really aggravating) experiences before, I can very much sympathize!

Yes, that is the larger issue! I am very upset about it! I just am shocked at the level of professionalism the school has. It really upsets me!!!!!!

amother

Mon, Oct 22 2012, 10:51 pm

Kfar wrote:

Yes, that is the larger issue! I am very upset about it! I just am shocked at the level of professionalism the school has. It really upsets me!!!!!!

cbsmommy

Mon, Oct 22 2012, 10:55 pm

Barbara wrote:

watergirl wrote:

forever21 wrote:

Mybe its different with SEIT bec my supervisor at my agency told us that the teacher cannot have access to the IEP without permission.

Weird, I thought the teacher was included in the IEP as part of the team putting it together. Every IEP meeting I have ever sat in on and participated in had the teacher.

AFAIK, under current regulations, a teacher MUST be a part of every IEP team.

As should all other stakeholders -- parent, administration member, special ed teacher/tutor, OT, PT, SLP, etc.

bamamama

Mon, Oct 22 2012, 11:53 pm

amother wrote:

Kfar wrote:

Yes, that is the larger issue! I am very upset about it! I just am shocked at the level of professionalism the school has. It really upsets me!!!!!!

This whole thread is very odd, OP.

It's nothing new that OOT frum schools hire uncredentialed teachers. Especially substitutes.

And as to it being the most "frum" school...clearly it isn't if the level of lashon hara there is such that you are this worried about teachers discussing their students with random community members (as for other teachers, I will agree with PPs - consulting with colleagues is completely ok).

So switch her out already. Clearly you aren't happy.

Kugglegirl

Tue, Oct 23 2012, 12:00 am

Barbara & others- regarding IEP- our yeshiva day schools & any private schools are not bound by federal regulations about IEP's. Private schools are not required to create them, not bound to adhere to anything in them.

Though much of what Barbara has cited is correct for students in public and state funded private schools, as well as for therapeutic services provided such as OT, PT etc

If you are so lucky to have a school that has agreed to create or abide by an IEP you are very lucky. OTOH- if you feel that the staff is not competent to carry it out- it's not really worth the paper it's printed on.

OP- you say that your child does not have special needs, just some reading issues. If your child does not have special needs, then your child would not get an IEP in a setting where IEPs are required. Your child may be receiving instruction from a Title 1 reading specialist which 1) can be provided by the state or local public agency under special conditions in a private school setting 2)does not require an IEP.

As far as being worried that you or your DD is going to be "exposed" to gossip or conjecture, or people getting to curious about her learning style, don't you think that pulling her out for 6 weeks in a small community will make people even more curious than just leaving her in the setting?

If the substitute is as incompetent as you think she is, she will probably never even look at the "IEP" or any of the kids files. Or even understand what they actually mean if she does read them.

I read these things all the time. The good ones are written so that it is pretty clear what the child needs & how to teach it. Mostly there are a lot of bad ones out there that just sound like jibberish, but if you know the jargon, you can figure out what the goals are supposed to be. Most untrained subs will look at it once & move on to daily lesson plans, classroom rules & what craft projects they want to do for Chanuka.

the world's best mom

Tue, Oct 23 2012, 10:07 am

OP, if you are happoy with the school in general and are just upset about a temporary situation, I don't think that's a great reason to switch schools. If your dd is happy and the school is working with her and her IEP, that is huge. Don't take it for granted and switch to another school just because she'll have a sub who's not well trained.

As far as the gossiping goes, I highly doubt that someone would walk around telling everyone that one of her many students has learning issues. I'm sure she has more interesting things to talk about.