The Anti-Vaccination Disgrace By Rabbi Aaron E. Glatt, MD

nchr

Sun, Oct 28 2018, 8:29 am

amother wrote:

I'm not saying whether ppl should or should not vaccinate, but let's get the facts straight. Drs. Are NOT taught about the vaccines in medical school, just like the other poster wrote, they are just taught when and at which age each one is given, not the background of them. Google it.
Secondly, measles is extreeemely unlikely to turn into something fatal, it is usually a rash with some fever.

Most children with polio dont even have symptoms. Some experience cold like symptoms. Even the same percentage that experience paralysis usually recover completely. Would anyone suggest polio is a mild disease? Of course not because for those with lasting effects, it horrible. You're making your comment about measles because you've never seen the disease ravage communities.

FranticFrummie

Sun, Oct 28 2018, 9:52 am

nchr wrote:

Something interesting to read written by a famous author about his 7 year old daughter who died of the measles. http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/blogs/o.....asles

Oh, this is so heartbreaking. Crying

“Are you feeling all right?” I asked her.

“I feel all sleepy, ” she said.

In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead.

The measles had turned into a terrible thing call[I]ed measles encephalitis and there was nothing the doctors could do to save her.

That was twenty-four years ago in 1962, but even now, if a child with measles happens to develop the same deadly reaction from measles as Olivia did, there would still be nothing the doctors could do to help her.

On the other hand, there is today something that parents can do to make sure that this sort of tragedy does not happen to a child of theirs. They can insist that their child is immunised against measles. I was unable to do that for Olivia in 1962 because in those days a reliable measles vaccine had not been discovered. Today a good and safe vaccine is available to every family and all you have to do is to ask your doctor to administer it.

It is not yet generally accepted that measles can be a dangerous illness.

Believe me, it is. In my opinion parents who now refuse to have their children immunised are putting the lives of those children at risk.

amother

Wine

Sun, Oct 28 2018, 10:02 am

rzab wrote:

He happens to be a specialist in infectious diseases...
I would think if there is any doctor that is the authority on this matter it would be rabbi glatt

Learning about infectious diseases doesn't make you more knowledgeable about vaccines, just saying.

Ma3

Sun, Oct 28 2018, 10:06 am

FranticFrummie wrote:

Oh, this is so heartbreaking. Crying

Heartbreaking!! Unfortunate case. Not convincing though. Same can happen with a simple strep just as well. Want to vaccinate for that too?!?

amother

Blonde

Sun, Oct 28 2018, 10:35 am

Just want to add that I never attended medical scool, but even in my PRE MED Immunology class, taught by a top Immunology PhD from Harvard, we learned about side effects for MMR, TDAP, Flu vaccine etc and that the high unlikelihood of fatal reactions far far outweigh the benefits.

This is how scientists evaluate information. Not by doing a Google search, seeing some sensationalist stories, and deciding something is bad. (And some Drs that are anti vaccines may be paid off, see Dr. Wakefield whose license was revoked I believe.)

amother

Maroon

Sun, Oct 28 2018, 11:01 am

amother wrote:

Great points. These are some points you didnt address that would make these points more valid & airtight. Two things, 1- meaybe the rate of increasing non fatal yet life altering side effects are on the rise , just like many other concerns are and things need to be looked over again. & Do the parents need to wait before stopping to vaccinate until the studies and paperwork go through if they see their child being harmed ? 2 -who would have the $ to pay off Dr 's to support non vaccine? How would they benefit?

amother

Wine

Sun, Oct 28 2018, 11:30 am

amother wrote:

about side effects for actual measles, etc the high unlikelihood of fatal reactions far far outweigh the benefits of being immune for life.

And Dr. Wakefield paid a price for telling the truth. Some Dr 's know the truth but won't speak up, because if they do they lose their license.

amother

Blonde

Sun, Oct 28 2018, 12:35 pm

amother wrote:

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about side effects for actual measles, etc the high unlikelihood of fatal reactions far far outweigh the benefits of being immune for life.

And Dr. Wakefield paid a price for telling the truth. Some Dr 's know the truth but won't speak up, because if they do they lose their license.

The MMR vaccine is for measles, and yes we talked about the dude effects if the "actual measles"
And Wakefield was paid off by lawyers of parents who had brought lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies, and there were multiple proofs why his claims were unsubstantiated (one example, falsified data)

amother

Maroon

Sun, Oct 28 2018, 2:06 pm

amother wrote:

I really want to know, no Dr will throw away his career for a token bribe from a couple of parents. We're these parents on some multi millionaire list. How much $ would it take to get some one to risk their entire career for a stranger? And if the parents didn't need the $ but wanted the judgement, why would he go along with it if he didn't believe it, money aside, just on professional reputation ?

I'd like a strong logical reason so I can assume he was bribed.

amother

Crimson

Mon, Oct 29 2018, 8:33 am

The following an anti vaxer wrote here is a blatant lie" t's amazing how there is such a stinkinh uproar against the "anti" vaxxers when half of the "pro" vax adults are not even immune. In addition some of the cases were fully vaxxed people... Just saying." Till here her words.
I took titers test and measles imunizations had weakened. After a shot and 20 days I reytook the measles toter test. It shows Im.immune. And from.now on I will include every choson.kalah on their wedding list check titers . Is like the tetanus shot that onlt lasts for.10 years, somilarly for some the measles or.polio or difteria doesnt last long. Now Im about to make a vris.for.einikle and you anti vaxers are making me lots of headaches. Please dont ever come.to my simchas

Maybe

Mon, Oct 29 2018, 8:45 am

amother wrote:

Rabbi Glatt is my cousin's father-in-law. The kids referenced in the article are my cousin's kids. Hashem yeracheim, I'm scared for them now!

I never realized that there are such major psakim which say that you need to vaccinate. How do such "frum" people justify going against the rulings of R' Elyashiv?!

Can you get him to do a public debate ?

Maybe

Mon, Oct 29 2018, 8:47 am

Chayalle wrote:

And my cousin almost died from peanut butter. And there are still mothers feeding their young children peanut butter sandwiches.

Do you know one vaccinated kid who is allergic to peanut butter ?

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PinkFridge

Mon, Oct 29 2018, 8:53 am

amother wrote:

Learning about infectious diseases doesn't make you more knowledgeable about vaccines, just saying.

Of course not. It makes you more knowledgeable about... carpentry.

Look, I know that there are doctors who are woefully ignorant. It's why I post so much about thyroid. But odds are, an infectious disease doctor is going to know about... I'm going out on a limb here...infectious diseases.