Do you actually know someone who was vaccine injured?

amother

Blue

Mon, Aug 05 2019, 8:12 pm

southernbubby wrote:

Can you please post the link?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p.....4872/
http://www.autismsupportnetwor.....82942
https://www.greatplainslaborat.....sthma
https://www.ageofautism.com/20......html
I don’t know if all these are reputable. There are many more articles and websites available on google. And I know you can find anything online so caveat emptor.

amother

Vermilion

Mon, Aug 05 2019, 8:22 pm

JoyInTheMorning wrote:

I don't know whether or not the CDC owns patents. I don't know how the research scientists who develop the patents profit from the patents and how much the CDC gets. I know that I have been awarded several patents (not in biology), but I have received virtually nothing for them; I think a small award of $1K for my first patent and half of that for each subsequent patent. The patent belongs to the company which employed me at the time I wrote the patent. Universities, and probably hospitals, work differently and inventors do get to own and profit from patents.

I think it's fine for researchers to profit from their patents. (I sure wish I was profiting from my patents and could afford to hire a cleaning lady and an organizer.) I do agree that conflicts of interest should be disclosed. While it's fine for the original inventors to do initial safety studies, it's probably best for others who don't profit to do subsequent safety studies. But I think that this has been established practice. For example, the Danish study that shows no connection between MMR and autism was not done by the people who invented the MMR.

At the same time, full disclosure cuts both ways. If someone has a grievance because they think a family member has been damaged by a vaccine, or got a poor grade from one of the inventors of a vaccine and now wants to get back at the inventor, or whatever other axe they have to grind, that should be disclosed also. And by the way, it would be good to have that practiced on imamother too. I'd love to know what axe all these anti-vax imamothers have to grind.

If you want to know the financials of those involved in developing, approving and promoting vaccines, watch Dr. Stanley Plotkin's nine hour deposition. The revered doctor will give you all the info you might (not) want to know.

amother

cornflower

Mon, Aug 05 2019, 8:25 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

ummm...yes, CDC does own vaccine patents.

Headline: CDC Members Own More Than 50 Patents Connected to Vaccinations
https://www.lawfirms.com/resou.....tions

Did you even read this?????

Members of the CDC are not the CDC.

The article talks about people who are Clinical Laboratory Improvement Advisory Committee (CLIAC) members.

https://www.cdc.gov/cliac/index.html

southernbubby

Mon, Aug 05 2019, 8:27 pm

amother [ Blue ] wrote:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5044872/
http://www.autismsupportnetwor.....82942
https://www.greatplainslaborat.....sthma
https://www.ageofautism.com/20......html
I don’t know if all these are reputable. There are many more articles and websites available on google. And I know you can find anything online so caveat emptor.

Wow!

southernbubby

Mon, Aug 05 2019, 8:43 pm

amother [ Blue ] wrote:

What I meant to say is I don’t know if any of the articles are true. You can find anything online, which is one reason why it’s so dangerous.
I think what it all comes down to is you have to do your hishtadlus - get vaccinated - and daven that everything goes well. And remember - everyone has their own pekel in life!

We always get vaccinated but I am glad that I learned from you to avoid giving Tylenol!!!

amother

cornflower

Mon, Aug 05 2019, 8:48 pm

amother [ Blue ] wrote:

There was an Israeli Meta analysis study..

https://academic.oup.com/aje/a.....80325

amother

Blue

Mon, Aug 05 2019, 9:07 pm

And you can find articles that Tylenol DOESN’T cause autism:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/.....akout
https://www.google.com/amp/s/h...../amp/
https://www.romper.com/p/does-.....38498
My point is that you can find a study for anything. Parents who have autistic children - don’t feel guilty for giving Tylenol. Parents of children who are sick - if your pediatrician says to give Tylenol, discuss and do what’s best for your child.

amother

Crimson

Mon, Aug 05 2019, 9:43 pm

Both vaccines and tylenol impair glutathione production which is essential for cellular detox, especially in the brain. Together they are an especially noxious combination. Many children with autism suffer from glutathione deficiency, and many parents report improvements in some asd symptoms with glutathione supplementation. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p.....8138/

gamanit

Mon, Aug 05 2019, 10:35 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

There are several scientists who expose why the Danish study is not valid. Here are a few
links:

A Scientist’s Rebuttal to the Danish Cohort Study
https://www.focusforhealth.org.....tudy/

A Review of Hviid et al.'s 2019 MMR-Autism Study - Physicians for ..
https://physiciansforinformedc.....tudy/

An Autopsy on Hviid et al. 2019's MMR/Vaccine Science-Like Activities ...
https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2.....ties/

Here are some points from these scientists why the Danish study is INVALID:

1. It is NOT a Vax vs UnVax Study. It is a study of kids who got vaccine + MMR vs kids who got Vaccines, No MMR. It is 34 Vaccines vs 32 Vaccines (no MMR).

If I made a study of 34 pack a day smokers vs 32 pack a day smokers and the cancer rate was about the same, does that prove that smoking doesn't cause cancer???

NO! I would have do study Smoker vs Non-Smoker. But CDC refuses to do a Vax vs UnVax Study. JoyInTheMorning, Please tell me why CDC refuses to do Vax vs UnVax Study.

2. The Danish Study is Invalid because of "Healthy User Bias". It was NOT randomized who got the MMR and who did not - the Parents decided. If a child got some vaccines and then developed signs of Autism, the Parents would decide not to give MMR. But the Autism could have been caused by the 32 other vaccines (Dtap, HIB, Hep B etc).

The only way to test if MMR causes Autism is to study MMR Vaxxed vs ZERO vaccines.

3. As previously noted, the Scientists doing this study HAVE financial ties/conflicts of interest with the Vaccine Industry.

Actually research has shown that cancer rates go up with each additional cigarette per day. If vaccines actually are the cause for anything even one more vaccine would increase the rate. I wouldn't mind giving my kids an additional five shots if it will convince an antivax family to get vaccinated. If anyone says that I should be taking the shots myself; absolutely no problem.

amother

Papaya

Tue, Aug 06 2019, 7:37 am

amother [ Blue ] wrote:

Actually these links do not really say that at all. It's some quasi science along with skepticism - no hard data.

I'm really worried about Tylenol now. It just makes so much sense - I grew up with aspirin and they say that autism rates went up about the same time as parents started using Tylenol instead of aspirin.

And preliminary studies DO point to a link - the data for Tylenol seems much stronger than the data for immunizations...

amother

Denim

Tue, Aug 06 2019, 7:54 am

amother [ OP ] wrote:

Sounds like an allergic reaction and I'm not sure why it would apply to all shots?

Some people are allergic to vaccines. Everyone agrees that's true. Drs can recognize the symptoms, and I've always been told what to look out for as an allergic reaction. Allergic reactions to vaccines are generally temporary and cause for a medical exemption either to that shot or all vaccines depending on the situation

nchr

Tue, Aug 06 2019, 8:11 am

amother [ Papaya ] wrote:

I think the link is between prenatal tylenol (as in the pregnant mother taking it) although maybe also when giving it to infants. But then again, it's probably safer to reduce high fever while pregnant for other reasons and it's not a 100% chance. Discuss it with your pediatrician and doctor.

southernbubby

Tue, Aug 06 2019, 8:53 am

nchr wrote:

It looks like there is also a link between fever during pregnancy and developmental disabilities but is it due to the fever itself or the use of Tylenol and is it possible that women who used it for days on end had worse outcomes?

amother

Linen

Tue, Aug 06 2019, 2:42 pm

southernbubby wrote:

why don't you simply say "correlation doesn't equals causation" and continue using tylenol