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amother




OP
 

Post  Sat, Mar 28 2020, 8:57 pm
I saw this headline on The Yeshiva World, and then on vosizneias. What does this mean? Trump is lifting the quarantine?
Please explain this to me, if you can.
So many are dying.
I'm so confused.
How is this safe??
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amother




Coral
 

Post  Sat, Mar 28 2020, 9:14 pm
New York was never under quarantine. Several hours ago Trump tweeted that he was considering it. Then he changed his mind.
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amother




Lime
 

Post  Sat, Mar 28 2020, 9:16 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
I saw this headline on The Yeshiva World, and then on vosizneias. What does this mean? Trump is lifting the quarantine?
Please explain this to me, if you can.
So many are dying.
I'm so confused.
How is this safe??


It means a ban on all travel between states. People got confused and Cuomo said they couldn't legally enforce it anyway.

They will issue stronger travel advisory. It was just a poor choice of words on his part but social distancing and only going out if absolutely necessary still applies.
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amother




Vermilion
 

Post  Sat, Mar 28 2020, 9:18 pm
amother [ Coral ] wrote:
New York was never under quarantine. Several hours ago Trump tweeted that he was considering it. Then he changed his mind.

Because he spoke to the governor (who has the authority to issue the mandatory quarantine) and he said no. So Cuomo has blood on his hands and continues to allow this to spread because he wants money from Trump/federal govt. Its sad that Cuomo is making this about money and politics instead of saving lives.
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icedcoffee




 
 
 
 

Post  Sat, Mar 28 2020, 9:44 pm
amother [ Vermilion ] wrote:
Because he spoke to the governor (who has the authority to issue the mandatory quarantine) and he said no. So Cuomo has blood on his hands and continues to allow this to spread because he wants money from Trump/federal govt. Its sad that Cuomo is making this about money and politics instead of saving lives.


I can't even deal with this website sometimes. Cuomo is making this about money and politics? It's not Trump who has blood on his hands? Banging head

Trump has bungled this from the beginning. Let's ignore the fact that HE'S the one, not Cuomo, who wants to reopen parts of the country by Easter. From claiming it was a "democratic hoax" to eliminating the pandemic response team to proposing a 16% cut on CDC funding AFTER COVID-19 was declared a public health emergency. The White House turned down emergency coronavirus funding in February. He's repeatedly said, with no basis whatsoever, that the US has this under control and it's contained. He's said it will "maybe go away. We’ll see what happens. Nobody really knows." He predicted it is "going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle – it will disappear." He's lied about the availability of tests, necessitating being corrected by his own vice prez. He's completely made up off the top of his head that we will have a vaccine in a few months, necessitating being corrected by his own health and human services secretary.

When Cuomo tried to get ventilators for New York, Trump said "I don't believe you need" that many.

People need to understand this: Trump is WITHHOLDING AID to governors he thinks are not showing proper "appreciation" of him. He ADMITTED he told Pence to not call Gretchen Whitmer (Michigan) because "If they don’t treat you right, I don’t call." "Very simple: I want them to be appreciative." Medical vendors were told not to "send stuff" to Michigan because Trump felt like she wasn't appreciative enough of him. Think about that for a second. And CUOMO is the one you're upset with? Come on. Now is the time to drop the blind Trump praise. He is being universally criticized across the globe for his response to this (unless you want to trust random amothers above scientists, world leaders, his own administration, public health experts, etc etc)
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amother




Vermilion
 

Post  Sat, Mar 28 2020, 10:26 pm
icedcoffee wrote:
I can't even deal with this website sometimes. Cuomo is making this about money and politics? It's not Trump who has blood on his hands? Banging head

Trump has bungled this from the beginning. Let's ignore the fact that HE'S the one, not Cuomo, who wants to reopen parts of the country by Easter. From claiming it was a "democratic hoax" to eliminating the pandemic response team to proposing a 16% cut on CDC funding AFTER COVID-19 was declared a public health emergency. The White House turned down emergency coronavirus funding in February. He's repeatedly said, with no basis whatsoever, that the US has this under control and it's contained. He's said it will "maybe go away. We’ll see what happens. Nobody really knows." He predicted it is "going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle – it will disappear." He's lied about the availability of tests, necessitating being corrected by his own vice prez. He's completely made up off the top of his head that we will have a vaccine in a few months, necessitating being corrected by his own health and human services secretary.

When Cuomo tried to get ventilators for New York, Trump said "I don't believe you need" that many.

People need to understand this: Trump is WITHHOLDING AID to governors he thinks are not showing proper "appreciation" of him. He ADMITTED he told Pence to not call Gretchen Whitmer (Michigan) because "If they don’t treat you right, I don’t call." "Very simple: I want them to be appreciative." Medical vendors were told not to "send stuff" to Michigan because Trump felt like she wasn't appreciative enough of him. Think about that for a second. And CUOMO is the one you're upset with? Come on. Now is the time to drop the blind Trump praise. He is being universally criticized across the globe for his response to this (unless you want to trust random amothers above scientists, world leaders, his own administration, public health experts, etc etc)


Regarding cutting CDC funding: https://www.factcheck.org/2020.....work/

Trump also limited entry for people traveling from China on Jan 31-- https://www.whitehouse.gov/pre.....irus/

And democrats like Cuomo are trying to make Trump look bad. Cuomo is refusing to issue a mandatory statewide quarantine to shut it down. NY has a shortage of protective gear for doctors and nurses but now we somehow have to find protective gear for the partners of people giving birth and expose them to the same coronavirus that their wives and newborn babies are being exposed to thus ensuring that more people are exposed. (And did Cuomo ban the anti-malaria drug?) The more positive cases NY has the more federal funding they can get which is the goal since NY is pretty much broke and desperately needs money.

In regards to Michigan, as of this post, Michigan has less than 5000 cases. If they have a mandatory quarantine then they can prevent this from spreading (and its easier given that there are no trains or buses like NYC has). So Trump is asking the governors to be nice, big whooptie doo. Be nice and quarantine your states while your at it so that we can prevent this from spreading. Yet these governors refuse to do so because the more people test positive the more federal funding they can get. Sorry but that is not a Trump problem and it is Cuomo (and any other governor who acts like him) who has blood on his hands for failing issue a mandatory quarantine to ensure that the disease doesnt spread any further.

There is also no evidence that Trump is withholding any aid either-- https://www.washingtonpost.com.....news/

But so glad you can blame Trump for the incompetency of the democrat governor of NY. Trump has survived everything else you did to him and blamed him for so he will survive this as well God willing.
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amother




Beige
 

Post  Sat, Mar 28 2020, 11:57 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote:
I saw this headline on The Yeshiva World, and then on vosizneias. What does this mean? Trump is lifting the quarantine?
Please explain this to me, if you can.
So many are dying.
I'm so confused.
How is this safe??


We aren’t quarantined.
Quanrabtine means not leaving the house.
We are social distancing and will continue to do do.
Nothing has changed
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amother




Salmon
 

Post  Sun, Mar 29 2020, 12:45 am
amother [ Vermilion ] wrote:
Regarding cutting CDC funding: https://www.factcheck.org/2020.....work/

Trump also limited entry for people traveling from China on Jan 31-- https://www.whitehouse.gov/pre.....irus/

And democrats like Cuomo are trying to make Trump look bad. Cuomo is refusing to issue a mandatory statewide quarantine to shut it down. NY has a shortage of protective gear for doctors and nurses but now we somehow have to find protective gear for the partners of people giving birth and expose them to the same coronavirus that their wives and newborn babies are being exposed to thus ensuring that more people are exposed. (And did Cuomo ban the anti-malaria drug?) The more positive cases NY has the more federal funding they can get which is the goal since NY is pretty much broke and desperately needs money.



FYI- the order to allow a spouse in the room was already in place. However it wasn’t being enforced
People were crying out about it-so Cuomo changed the ordered from a order to a directive executive order to have it enforced
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amother




Salmon
 

Post  Sun, Mar 29 2020, 12:47 am
icedcoffee wrote:
I can't even deal with this website sometimes. Cuomo is making this about money and politics? It's not Trump who has blood on his hands? Banging head

Trump has bungled this from the beginning. Let's ignore the fact that HE'S the one, not Cuomo, who wants to reopen parts of the country by Easter. From claiming it was a "democratic hoax" to eliminating the pandemic response team to proposing a 16% cut on CDC funding AFTER COVID-19 was declared a public health emergency. The White House turned down emergency coronavirus funding in February. He's repeatedly said, with no basis whatsoever, that the US has this under control and it's contained. He's said it will "maybe go away. We’ll see what happens. Nobody really knows." He predicted it is "going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle – it will disappear." He's lied about the availability of tests, necessitating being corrected by his own vice prez. He's completely made up off the top of his head that we will have a vaccine in a few months, necessitating being corrected by his own health and human services secretary.

When Cuomo tried to get ventilators for New York, Trump said "I don't believe you need" that many.

People need to understand this: Trump is WITHHOLDING AID to governors he thinks are not showing proper "appreciation" of him. He ADMITTED he told Pence to not call Gretchen Whitmer (Michigan) because "If they don’t treat you right, I don’t call." "Very simple: I want them to be appreciative." Medical vendors were told not to "send stuff" to Michigan because Trump felt like she wasn't appreciative enough of him. Think about that for a second. And CUOMO is the one you're upset with? Come on. Now is the time to drop the blind Trump praise. He is being universally criticized across the globe for his response to this (unless you want to trust random amothers above scientists, world leaders, his own administration, public health experts, etc etc)


Thank you amother, well said!
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cnc




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Mar 29 2020, 12:48 am
I know a number of essential workers that live in one state and work in another . A mandatory state quarantine would make things very complicated in such a scenario.
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amother




Salmon
 

Post  Sun, Mar 29 2020, 12:49 am
amother [ Vermilion ] wrote:
Because he spoke to the governor (who has the authority to issue the mandatory quarantine) and he said no. So Cuomo has blood on his hands and continues to allow this to spread because he wants money from Trump/federal govt. Its sad that Cuomo is making this about money and politics instead of saving lives.


Nice combination of words together. It appears to be a paragraph yet I can’t make sense of what it reads🤔
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amother




Salmon
 

Post  Sun, Mar 29 2020, 12:56 am
cnc wrote:
I know a number of essential workers that live in one state and work in another . A mandatory state quarantine would make things very complicated in such a scenario.


Yes. Precisely why this would create a new crises. Let alone having the stock market crash doing almost irreversible damage. Hence Cuomo s lack of endorsement for any step in that direction.
This was trump ‘doing his thing’ aka running his mouth just as the thought popped into his head. Then he remembered ‘oh, but there may be consequences’. ‘I.e. the law not making this harder to carry through. So he retreated, until next time:) and one thing which is certain with trump, is that there will be a next time he has verbal diarrhea. The man can’t help himself 🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ Banging head
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amother




Natural
 

Post  Sun, Mar 29 2020, 7:12 am
amother [ Vermilion ] wrote:

In regards to Michigan, as of this post, Michigan has less than 5000 cases. If they have a mandatory quarantine then they can prevent this from spreading (and its easier given that there are no trains or buses like NYC has). So Trump is asking the governors to be nice, big whooptie doo. Be nice and quarantine your states while your at it so that we can prevent this from spreading. Yet these governors refuse to do so because the more people test positive the more federal funding they can get. Sorry but that is not a Trump problem and it is Cuomo (and any other governor who acts like him) who has blood on his hands for failing issue a mandatory quarantine to ensure that the disease doesnt spread any further.



Less than 5000 KNOWN cases. I know of people who have it but weren't tested.
Schools have been closed for several weeks. The governor declared shelter in place a week or so ago, and many people are self quarantining. The shuls were very good about closing, right away.
The president wants the auto companies to make ventilators. The governor is asking for money for things including the transformation of the factories.
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amother




Vermilion
 

Post  Sun, Mar 29 2020, 7:22 am
amother [ Salmon ] wrote:
Nice combination of words together. It appears to be a paragraph yet I can’t make sense of what it reads🤔

The only thing you seem to understand is Trump bashing so keep at it even though the evidence (as I cited above) shows that Trump is doing a great job. I understand that you need to blame someone so like I said, keep blaming Trump for Cuomos incompetency and abuse of power if that is what helps you sleep at night.

cnc wrote:
I know a number of essential workers that live in one state and work in another . A mandatory state quarantine would make things very complicated in such a scenario.

A mandatory quarantine would exclude essential workers like nurses and grocery employees. Essential workers would need to have a letter from their agency to show that they are indeed essential workers and not just playing ball in the park or going to a minyan. My agency already provided us with a letter that we are essential workers and I am sure that nurses, grocery employees and any other essential workers would get the same letter from their employers.

amother [ Salmon ] wrote:
Yes. Precisely why this would create a new crises. Let alone having the stock market crash doing almost irreversible damage. Hence Cuomo s lack of endorsement for any step in that direction.
This was trump ‘doing his thing’ aka running his mouth just as the thought popped into his head. Then he remembered ‘oh, but there may be consequences’. ‘I.e. the law not making this harder to carry through. So he retreated, until next time:) and one thing which is certain with trump, is that there will be a next time he has verbal diarrhea. The man can’t help himself 🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ Banging head


Stock market employees (or whatever you call them) wouldnt be considered essential employees and all of them can work from home so that is a non-issue.

But lets say Trump decides to put NY in a mandatory quarantine without the Cuomos consent. Do you really think the police or anyone else would enforce it? LOL they wouldnt enforce it or work with Trump just like they refuse to work with ICE. So it is up to Cuomo to issue a mandatory quarantine (with the exception of essential workers who would need letters from their employers) but he refuses to do so because he wants federal funding and the more positive cases NY has the more money we can get. So Cuomo has blood on his hands because he is making this about money and politics instead of saving lives.
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icedcoffee




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Mar 29 2020, 9:44 am
Since January, the WHO and CDC has been screaming in Trump's ear about the dangers of COVID-19. Rather than disseminate this information to oh, I don't know, the governor whose state and city would be impacted the first and hardest, he chose to spend months insisting it isn't a problem and it's contained. On the flip side, under Cuomo's leadership, now NY is doing the most intensive testing in the country -- possibly the world. Cuomo is holding daily conferences outlining the problems and solutions alongside experts. I don't even have strong feelings towards Cuomo. In fact, I dislike a lot of things he's done. But it's undeniable that his response to this has been strong, professional, and rational.

Trump literally blurts things without knowing what the heck he's even talking about. How many times since we started this whole COVID-19 situation has he made some statement, only for the White House to immediately have to clarify what he meant? Or for the CDC or his own administration to say he was wrong? Do you even know what a quarantine would entail? Does Trump? Public health experts immediately dismissed the idea because not only would it be logistically impossible to enforce, it would actually accomplish little. (Source) Trump didn't drop the idea because Cuomo wouldn't work with him, he dropped it because after it came out of his mouth, the majority of the world said "that's a stupid idea."

By the way, vermillion, your links don't address what I actually said. Yours is talking about cutting the number of countries the CDC would service - I said he was proposing cutting their budget, which he did https://markets.businessinside.....46602

As for that Washington Post link, not sure if you were trying to link to a specific story but it instead brings me to a feed of Coronavirus live updates featuring headlines such as:

Live Updates: 'As the president fiddles, people are dying,’ Pelosi says
Experts call for more coordination, increased testing before easing restrictions [that Trump suggested]
Fauci doubts restrictions can be lifted safely by Trump’s Easter timeline
Louisiana governor sounds the alarm, says his state’s health system will be overwhelmed in days
‘It’s no different from New York’: Urban centers nationwide gird for catastrophic virus outbreak
Desperate for medical equipment, states encounter a beleaguered national stockpile

So you can tell me which of those was supposed to show the wonderful job Trump is doing.
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nchr




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Mar 29 2020, 9:49 am
Trump was considering blocking travel within the US to and from NY/NJ area, essentially locking NYers in their state. However, they issued a travel advisory instead.
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Fox




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Mar 29 2020, 6:38 pm
icedcoffee wrote:
I can't even deal with this website sometimes. Cuomo is making this about money and politics? It's not Trump who has blood on his hands? Banging head

Funny. I feel the same way.

Is it living in a bubble that causes people to willfully ignore contradictory evidence? Or is it deliberate manipulation. I never know.

"Blind praise" for Trump? What about "blind invective"? That's not a problem? Of course it's not! Those pro-Trumpers are all uneducated, foolish rubes, aren't they? They just don't care about people dying like you do, do they?

I couldn't care less if you hate President Trump. I think it's counterproductive, but that was already demonstrated in 2016, and no one seems to have learned the lesson.

But I will object to the assertion that it was President Trump who unilaterally dismissed warnings about Covid19.

Twitter -- NYC Health Commissioner

A month later, she was still unconcerned:

Twitter -- Oxiris Barbot

Of course, Mayor de Blasio was equally unconcerned at the time:

Twitter -- Bill de Blasio

The same day, President Trump was donating his salary and more important, visiting the NIH Vaccine Lab regarding Covid19:

NY Post

Meanwhile, NY's Senator Chuck Schumer was busying himself threatening SCOTUS justices.

March 4, 2020, President Trump was meeting with the heads of airlines about the crisis while Mayor de Blasio was apparently fretting about Elizabeth Warren's withdrawal from the Democratic race:

Twitter -- @RealDonaldTrump

Of course, a week after Mayor de Blasio was urging NYers to go see a movie, Governor Cuomo claims to be getting "mixed messages" from Washington and worries that it adds to the panic.

Twitter -- MSNBC
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I could go on. As I have written before, I suspect there will be plenty of blame to go around when the dust settles. Some of it may accrue to President Trump. But the vitriol against President Trump while blithely ignoring serious missteps by NY state and local leaders along with malfeasance and/or corruption at the WHO thoroughly shreds any credible points you might make.
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Amarante




 
 
 
 

Post  Sun, Mar 29 2020, 8:09 pm
And in the spirit of just the facts ma'am, here is a chronological list of all of Trump's lies about Corona. I applaud the governors of various states who are exhibiting true leadership.

Since these are Trump's own words, I am not sure how they can be denominated as "fake news" spread by liberals who are seeking to undermine his Presidency. He is doing that all by himself.

Let people decide for themselves whether they find any statement by Trump to be credible versus statements by governors of NY, Illinois, Louisiana, Nevada, California, NJ etc.

All the President’s Lies About the Coronavirus

An unfinished compendium of Trump’s overwhelming dishonesty during a national emergency

Christian Paz
March 24, 2020

The Atlantic

In the 11 days since he declared the coronavirus pandemic a national emergency, President Donald Trump has repeatedly lied about this once-in-a-generation crisis.

Here, a collection of the biggest lies he’s told as the nation barrels toward a public-health and economic calamity. This post will be updated as needed.

On the Nature of the Virus

When: Friday, February 7, and Wednesday, February 19
The claim: The coronavirus would weaken “when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”
The truth: It’s too early to tell if the virus’s spread will be dampened by warmer conditions. Respiratory viruses can be seasonal, but the World Health Organization says that the new coronavirus “can be transmitted in ALL AREAS, including areas with hot and humid weather.”

When: Thursday, February 27
The claim: The outbreak would be temporary: “It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.”
The truth: Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, warned days later that he was concerned that “as the next week or two or three go by, we’re going to see a lot more community-related cases.”

When: Monday, March 23
The claim: If the economic shutdown continues, deaths by suicide “definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about” for COVID-19 deaths.
The truth: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that, in a worst-case scenario, 200,000 to 1.7 million Americans could die from COVID-19, The New York Times reports. Other estimates place the number of possible deaths at 1.1 million to 1.2 million. According to the CDC, suicide is one of the leading causes of death in the United States. But the number of people who died by suicide in 2017, for example, was roughly 47,000—nowhere near the COVID-19 estimates.

When: Wednesday, March 4
The claim: The Trump White House rolled back Food and Drug Administration regulations that limited the kind of laboratory tests states could run and how they could conduct them. “The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing,” Trump said.
The truth: The Obama administration drafted, but never implemented, changes to rules that regulate laboratory tests run by states. Trump’s policy change relaxed an FDA requirement that would have forced private labs to wait for FDA authorization to conduct their own, non-CDC-approved coronavirus tests.

When: Friday, March 13
The claim: The Obama White House’s response to the H1N1 pandemic was “a full scale disaster, with thousands dying, and nothing meaningful done to fix the testing problem, until now.”
The truth: Barack Obama declared a public-health emergency two weeks after the first U.S. cases of H1N1 were reported, in California. (Trump declared a national emergency more than seven weeks after the first domestic COVID-19 case was reported, in Washington State.) While testing is a problem now, it wasn’t back in 2009. The challenge then was vaccine development: Production was delayed and the vaccine wasn’t distributed until the outbreak was already waning.

[b]On Coronavirus Testing[/b]

When: Friday, March 6
The claim: “Anybody that needs a test, gets a test. We—they’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful.”
The truth: The country’s testing capabilities are severely limited. Many states have experienced a lack of testing kits, as my colleagues Alexis Madrigal and Robinson Meyer have reported. Trump made this claim one day after his own vice president, Mike Pence, admitted that “we don’t have enough tests today to meet what we anticipate will be the demand going forward.”

When: Wednesday, March 11
The claim: In an Oval Office address, Trump said that private health-insurance companies had “agreed to waive all co-payments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing.”
The truth: Insurers agreed only to absorb the cost of coronavirus testing—waiving co-pays and deductibles for getting the test. Follow-up treatments aren’t covered. Neither are the costs of other non-coronavirus testing or treatment incurred by patients who have COVID-19 or are trying to get a diagnosis. And as for surprise medical billing? Mitigating it would require the cooperation of insurers, doctors, and hospitals.

When: Friday, March 13
The claim: Google engineers are building a website to help Americans determine whether they need testing for the coronavirus and to direct them to their nearest testing site.
The truth: The announcement was news to Google itself—the website Trump (and other administration officials) described was actually being built by Verily, a division of Alphabet, the parent company of Google. The Verge first reported on Trump’s error, citing a Google representative who confirmed that Verily was working on a “triage website” with limited coverage for the San Francisco Bay Area. But since then, Google has pivoted to fulfill Trump’s public proclamation, saying it would speed up the development of a new, separate website while Verily worked on finishing its project, The Washington Post reported.

When: Tuesday, March 24 and Wednesday, March 25
The claim: The United States has outpaced South Korea’s COVID-19 testing: “We’re going up proportionally very rapidly,” Trump said during a Fox News town hall.
The truth: While, in absolute numbers, Trump is right about the number of tests administered in the United States, the country still lags behind South Korea’s testing relative to its population. South Korea has conducted about five times as many tests as a proportion of its population relative to the United States. As of this writing, the U.S. has conducted roughly 430,000 tests, according to the COVID-19 Tracking Project, while South Korea has conducted about 350,000, according to the Korean Center for Disease Control.

On Travel Bans and Travelers

When: Wednesday, March 11
The claim: The United States would suspend “all travel from Europe, except the United Kingdom, for the next 30 days,” Trump announced in an Oval Office address.
The truth: The travel restriction would not apply to U.S. citizens, legal permanent residents, or their families returning from Europe. At first, it applied specifically to the 26 European countries that make up the Schengen Area, not all of Europe. Trump later announced the inclusion of the United Kingdom and Ireland in the ban.

Another claim: In the same address, Trump said the travel restrictions would “not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo but various other things as we get approval.”
The truth: Trump followed up in a tweet, explaining that trade and cargo would not be subject to the restrictions.

When: Thursday, March 12
The claim: All U.S. citizens arriving from Europe would be subject to medical screening, COVID-19 testing, and quarantine if necessary. “If an American is coming back or anybody is coming back, we’re testing,” Trump said. “We have a tremendous testing setup where people coming in have to be tested … We’re not putting them on planes if it shows positive, but if they do come here, we’re quarantining.”
The truth: Testing is already severely limited in the United States. It is not true that all Americans returning to the country are being tested, nor that anyone is being forced to quarantine, CNN has reported.

On Taking the Pandemic Seriously

When: Tuesday, March 17
The claim: “I’ve always known this is a real—this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic … I’ve always viewed it as very serious.”
The truth: Trump has repeatedly downplayed the significance of COVID-19 as outbreaks began stateside. From calling criticism of his handling of the virus a “hoax,” to comparing the coronavirus to a common flu, to worrying about letting sick Americans off cruise ships because they would increase the number of confirmed cases, Trump has used his public statements to send mixed messages and sow doubt about the outbreak’s seriousness.

On COVID-19 Treatments and Vaccines

When: Monday, March 2
The claim: Pharmaceutical companies are going “to have vaccines, I think, relatively soon.”
The truth: The president’s own experts told him during a White House meeting with pharmaceutical leaders earlier that same day that a vaccine could take a year to 18 months to develop. In response, he said he would prefer if it took only a few months. He later claimed, at a campaign rally in Charlotte, North Carolina, that a vaccine would be ready “soon.”

When: Thursday, March 19
The claim: At a press briefing with his coronavirus task force, Trump said the FDA had approved the antimalarial drug chloroquine to treat COVID-19. “Normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it’s—it was approved very, very quickly and it’s now approved by prescription,” he said.
The truth: FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn, who was at the briefing, quickly clarified that the drug still had to be tested in a clinical setting. An FDA representative later told Bloomberg that the drug has not been approved for COVID-19 use, though a doctor could still prescribe it for that purpose. Later that same day, Fauci told CNN that there is no “magic drug” to cure COVID-19: “Today, there are no proven safe and effective therapies for the coronavirus.”


On the Defense Production Act

When: Friday, March 20
The claim: Trump twice said during a task-force briefing that he had invoked the Defense Production Act, a Korean War–era law that enables the federal government to order private industry to produce certain items and materials for national use. He also said the federal government was already using its authority under the law: “We have a lot of people working very hard to do ventilators and various other things.”
The truth: Federal Emergency Management Agency Administrator Peter Gaynor told CNN on March 22 that the president has not actually used the DPA to order private companies to produce anything. Shortly after that, Trump backtracked, saying that he had not compelled private companies to take action. Then, on March 24, Gaynor told CNN that FEMA plans to use the DPA to allocate 60,000 test kits. Trump tweeted afterward that the DPA would not be used.

When: Saturday, March 21
The claim: Automobile companies that have volunteered to manufacture medical equipment, such as ventilators, are “making them right now.”
The truth: Ford and General Motors, which Trump mentioned at a task-force briefing the same day, announced earlier in March that they had halted all factory production in North America and were likely months away from beginning production of ventilators, representatives told the Associated Press. Since then, Ford CEO James Hackett told CNN that the auto company will begin to work with 3M to produce respirators and with General Electric to assemble ventilators. GM said it will explore the possibility of producing ventilators in an Indiana factory. Tesla CEO Elon Musk, whose company Trump highlighted in a tweet, has said that the company is “working on ventilators” but that they cannot be produced “instantly.”

On States’ Resources

When: Tuesday, March 24
The claim: Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York passed on an opportunity to purchase 16,000 ventilators at a low cost in 2015, Trump said during the Fox News town hall.
The truth: Trump seems to have gleaned this claim from a Gateway Pundit article. That piece, in turn, cites a syndicated column from Betsy McCaughey, a former lieutenant governor of New York, which includes a figure close to 16,000. The number comes from a 2015 report from the state’s health department that provided guidance for how New York could handle a possible flu pandemic. The report notes that the state would need 15,783 more ventilators than it had at the time to aid patients during “an influenza pandemic on the scale of the 1918 pandemic.” The report does not include a recommendation to Cuomo for additional purchases or stockpiling. Trump “obviously didn’t read the document he’s citing,” a Cuomo representative said in a statement.

Another claim: Trump also repeated a claim from the Gateway Pundit article that Cuomo’s office established “death panels” and “lotteries” as part of the state’s pandemic response.
The truth: The 2015 report and the accompanying press release announced updated guidelines for hospitals to follow to allocate ventilators. The guidelines “call for a triage officer or triage committee to determine who receives or continues to receive ventilator therapy” and describes how a random lottery allocation might work. (Neither should be the first options for deciding care, the report notes.) Cuomo never established a lottery.

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Christian Paz is an editorial fellow at The Atlantic.
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Post  Sun, Mar 29 2020, 8:57 pm
Amarante wrote:
And in the spirit of just the facts ma'am, here is a chronological list of all of Trump's lies about Corona. I applaud the governors of various states who are exhibiting true leadership.

Since these are Trump's own words, I am not sure how they can be denominated as "fake news" spread by liberals who are seeking to undermine his Presidency. He is doing that all by himself.

Let people decide for themselves whether they find any statement by Trump to be credible versus statements by governors of NY, Illinois, Louisiana, Nevada, California, NJ etc.

Except, of course, for the "lies" that were predictions, the "lies" that can't be verified, and the "lies" that were true unless you wanted to nitpick. His own words? Sometimes yes; sometimes no; in many cases, the links in The Atlantic article simply direct the reader to another news story -- not an original source.

All presented by The Atlantic, a publication that has made some very interesting editorial choices during the pandemic.

For example, arguing that it was some kind of conservative conspiracy to refer to Covid19 as the "Wuhan Virus" -- The Atlantic -- Levenson

Then it was race-baiting, accusing President Trump, et. al., of deliberating stoking racism and xenophobia -- The Atlantic -- Zimmerman

Atlantic staff writer David Frum suggested renaming it "Trump Plague." Twitter -- David Frum

Then Atlantic staff writer Anne Applebaum reported about a "donation" of medical equipment sent from China to Iran and Italy. "Donation," as in, "Italy and Iran bought and paid for the equipment, some of which turned out to be defective" -- Twitter -- Anne Applebaum

WaPo reported the truth, but Applebaum doubled down, going on to write an article about why the Trump administration is as bad as the Chinese Communist Party: The Atlantic -- Applebaum

The Atlantic's praise for a communist regime that has cost thousands of lives and covered up the loss of thousands more, a regime that regularly imprisons and tortures people for their religion, a regime that has been repeatedly duplicitous since the beginning of the pandemic . . . is revolting.

So, by all means, if you wish to sift through the half-truths and interpretations of a publication that is willing to repeat the talking points of the CCP in order to score points against President Trump, then this article is for you. The rest of you may decide whether journalists who suggest "Trump Plague" are capable of providing reasonably fair-minded, let alone impartial, coverage.
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Post  Sun, Mar 29 2020, 9:27 pm
Something else I'd like to point out:

Over the last 3 1/2 years, a number of posters have said, approximately, "I'm just responding to all this rah-rah pro-Trump stuff."

Fair enough.

In the last few weeks, I've written repeatedly on this and other threads that there will no doubt be blame to lay at President Trump's feet, along with many others.

Now, ask yourself: Has that slowed down the anti-Trump posters one iota? Have any of the most strident of them said, "Okay, maybe Trump isn't 100 percent responsible for this; it's too early to say"? Or have they continued on as usual, claiming that blood is on his hands; that this is all his fault; yadda, yadda, yadda.

Remember that answer when they claim that they're simply responding to excessive enthusiasm on the parts of pro-Trumpers. Hint: they aren't.
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