FDA Authorizes Pfizer vax for age 12-15

amother

Pink

Mon, May 10 2021, 9:20 pm

amother [ Violet ] wrote:

Legitamitely there are risks both ways.

In Pfizers papers on the trials in children, this or the one under this age group they had 9/200 death rate from the vaccine. Thats around 4.5%. Consider that risk against the risks we have seen from the virus in that age group.

I am not saying what is right or wrong, just bringing the literature to your attention.

Could you please post your sources? My kids had Covid and didn't have any symptoms, I wouldn't want to risk giving the vaccine if this is true.

amother

Violet

Mon, May 10 2021, 9:21 pm

wiki wrote:

This is misstated. Cite your sources.

Cite yours. You are wiki, I am sure a search can bring you to the source. The source should be from Pfizers data originally.

If I had a child in this age group I would look into it very well, but I don't, but I am sure some mothers here will find the time to find you the source.

southernbubby

Mon, May 10 2021, 9:27 pm

PinkFridge wrote:

Yes and no.
They might be subject to pediatric ranges and treatments in different areas. It also depends on the physical maturity of the 15 year old.

Depends on size and gender. As was stated by another poster, a teenager has enough body mass to spread the virus. Most 15 year old girls have reached maturity. Boys at 15 are almost there.

challahchallah

Mon, May 10 2021, 9:29 pm

amother [ Violet ] wrote:

So you stated numbers to scare people that there’s a high death rate, but you refuse to link to a source because you haven’t looked into it very well? That’s appalling and dangerous.

wiki

Mon, May 10 2021, 9:31 pm

amother [ Violet ] wrote:

Seriously, Violet (why are you anonymous?).

There's no need to get acerbic. I have nothing to cite. You claimed that four percent of children who got the vaccine are going to die from it.

That is literally false. You're peddling in falsehoods, and it's dangerous.

GLUE

Mon, May 10 2021, 9:33 pm

amother [ Aubergine ] wrote:

My 12 year old is pre-asthmatic and at higher risk for covid. I don't want him having complications of long covid either. I will be discussing the vaccine at his upcoming well visit with his pediatrician and also with his specialist doctors so we can decide if he's better off vaccinated or not.

We've been very careful until now, but so many places are now going mask optional now that a majority of adults are vaccinated that it's harder to protect the children and it's not fair to keep them home anymore.

What is pre-asthmatic? Having asthma does not make you a higher risk.

amother

Seagreen

Mon, May 10 2021, 9:40 pm

I saw a video of a seriously Ill child that was part of the vaccine trials. It’s heartbreaking to watch. Seizures galore, can’t keep food down... and they have no clue what actually went wrong. Even if she’s one in 10000 I’m not sure I would ever risk that.

amother

Violet

Mon, May 10 2021, 10:34 pm

challahchallah wrote:

So you stated numbers to scare people that there’s a high death rate, but you refuse to link to a source because you haven’t looked into it very well? That’s appalling and dangerous.

No, I simply do not remember who quoted it because I read many things. They claimed it is from Pfizers own data. That has got to be accessible to find out. It scared me. I am not repeating it to scare you. If there is even .0001% chance that it is true, I *should* repeat it to other imas here who have children that age. They can look into it.

It is not like Pfizer has not paid criminal fines to the billions for similar shenanigans.

So I repeat it purely out of caring. Okay? If I recalled the source I would have put it in my post to begin with.

amother

Bisque

Mon, May 10 2021, 10:43 pm

amother [ Violet ] wrote:

You're right, if there's a .0001% chance that 4.5% of children in the trial died you absolutely should share it with us to warn us. The good news is that there's a 0% chance that it's true, so there's nothing to worry about. Please take your irresponsible and unsourced fear-mongering elsewhere.

small bean

Mon, May 10 2021, 10:50 pm

365 kids died with covid not from covid. You dont give your kid a vaccine for that.

And for all those saying long term effects, you have no idea what long term effects the vaccine will bring. No one knows.

And 12 -15 year olds cant always have babies yet, not sure why that matters and can definitely still be growing.

I'm cool with anyone giving it to their kid but my kids will not be getting it, even if it means we have to homeschool.

#BestBubby

Mon, May 10 2021, 10:52 pm

amother [ Salmon ] wrote:

Except for the dead ones...want to play the odds with your kid? I sure don't

So your kid never goes in a car?

Because the odds of dying in a car crash are a gazillion times higher then your kid
dying from Covid - it's practically zero.

But sure - roll the dice on an experimental vaccine that may make a child sterile
or cause cancer down the road.

challahchallah

Mon, May 10 2021, 10:53 pm

amother [ Violet ] wrote:

No, you should not repeat false unsubstantiated fear mongering because you think you remember that you read it somewhere. If you’re really concerned, look it up and post a source. If you don’t have time, suggest that people remember to look into side effects generally without making up fake numbers. It is never appropriate to post blatant falsehoods just to scare people with the excuse that it’s “caring.” If you’re going to post statistics, have the data to back them up.

amother

Violet

Mon, May 10 2021, 10:58 pm

amother [ Bisque ] wrote:

The good news is that there's a 0% chance that it's true, so there's nothing to worry about.

Please cite your source.

And you act so rude which may be caused out of pure fear and defensiveness.

There is no reason to give it to children until a few years have passed and long term human data is available. The vulnerable patients are protected now. No need to sacrifice the potential health of the next generation without due cause. Any at risk are free to take it.

But you are welcome to make your own choices. My opinion or anything I heard you should definitely ignore and never consider, but others might appreciate conversation. You feel free to ignore me.

amother

Violet

Mon, May 10 2021, 11:02 pm

challahchallah wrote:

No, I KNOW I read it AND they said it is in Pfizers data. I don't think that, I know that. I made up no numbers at all. I repeated them. I remembered them precisely. Just not the source.

So if you have a buddy who knows how to look at their trial data, have at it and let us know the stats, maybe the report was accurate or maybe you are right that it is not. Attacking me does not clarify anything.

amother

Violet

Mon, May 10 2021, 11:11 pm

amother [ Pink ] wrote:

Could you please post your sources? My kids had Covid and didn't have any symptoms, I wouldn't want to risk giving the vaccine if this is true.

Im sorry Pink, I do not recall it's source but hopefully your Dr or someone with knowledge how to look at the exact trials numbers would be able to give you more information.

If it were my child, I would surely want to know how many injuries & deaths out of how many trial participants took place before considering giving it. I hope you can find out the data for sure.

southernbubby

Mon, May 10 2021, 11:20 pm

small bean wrote:

The reason that everyone in society is expected to get the vaccine is in order to stop the spread of the illness. I brought up a child's ability to have a child in order to say that size and development wise, the child can spread the disease like an adult. A girl or woman of any age who is pregnant is at greater risk of complications from Covid but this is not why these kids are getting vaccinated. It's not to prevent the child from dying of Covid but rather to keep the child from spreading the virus.

small bean

Mon, May 10 2021, 11:24 pm

southernbubby wrote:

I don't think it's fair to pass the burden to our kids. If the vaccines work those at risk are a lot less likely to get sick and if they get sick they should have a mild case. This is not a moral reason to give it to kids.

Regarding growth my daughter is 14, she's about 60lbs and definitely can't get pregnant yet. I hope she still grows a lot. Same for my almost 13 year old daughter.

challahchallah

Mon, May 10 2021, 11:24 pm

amother [ Violet ] wrote:

And I KNOW I read that the living population of unicorns in New York is 3,562 of which 34% are extra sparkly. If you’re going to cite statistics, you need to show where you got them from aside from your memory.

Only top line data has been released so far, but the vaccine was “well tolerated, with side effects generally consistent with those observed in participants 16 to 25 years of age.”

https://www.pfizer.com/news/pr.....ea%20(1.1%25)%2C%20malaise

amother

Silver

Mon, May 10 2021, 11:32 pm

My 15 year old (will be 16 year in June) has a vaccine appointment for Thursday morning. We are so excited. He will be able to spend the summer in Israel and to travel freely while there and get much closer to the old normal.

southernbubby

Mon, May 10 2021, 11:38 pm

small bean wrote:

Your kids sound like they are small for their ages. That was not my experience with daughters and granddaughters. Personally I wouldn't mind limiting the vaccine to adults but I also can't fault teachers who won't return to classrooms. Vaccines are most effective when everyone in society gets them.
It's not too great in India right now and only 3% of the population is vaccinated. Some of the critically ill and dying are not elderly but there is a high rate of obesity and diabetes in middle aged and young adults and this may be driving up the rate of severe illness. It's estimated that there have been a million deaths in India. The point that I am trying to make is that the American population is also not that healthy and I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to take chances regarding outbreaks among students.