Home
Log in / Sign Up
    Private Messages   Advanced Search   Rules   New User Guide   FAQ   Advertise   Contact Us  
Forum -> Shopping
Heart prints on clothing for girls, is it a problem?
Previous  1  2  3



Post new topic   Reply to topic View latest: 24h 48h 72h



Do you buy clothing with hearts for your kids?
Sure, why not?  
 93%  [ 270 ]
No, it's a problem  
 1%  [ 5 ]
Don't love it but don't have a problem with it...  
 4%  [ 14 ]
Total Votes : 289



amother
Floralwhite


 

Post Wed, Feb 21 2024, 11:55 pm
Slightly off topic, but here goes.

I can't help but feel sad at the thought of depriving our little girls of hearts. There is something about the shape that every little girl I have ever known (including myself) absolutely adores. In fact for all of them, their crowning and most glorious achievement in pre-school was mastering the art of drawing a heart.
Back to top

Bnei Berak 10




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 12:00 am
amother Amaranthus wrote:
Google says it represents a woman's buttocks.
I'm choosing not to let that bother me since nobody seems to be aware of that.

Rolling Eyes
Back to top

amother
Lavender


 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 12:08 am
amother Amaranthus wrote:
Google says it represents a woman's buttocks.
I'm choosing not to let that bother me since nobody seems to be aware of that.


That's one theory. It's actually not known where the modern symbol comes from. It's known to have been used in antiquity as a completely different symbol, and the shape exists in nature; for example, there are plants with heart shaped leaves, and fruits that are heart shaped when cut open. A woman's body does have round shapes but not the pointy end.
Back to top

Bnei Berak 10




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 12:21 am
amother Quince wrote:
Ok I'll bite.

25 years ago as a newlywed I read Rabbi Falk's book Oz vehodor levusha. Please don't bash this book. For those whom it is hashkafically appropriate for, it is very good. If it's not your speed, don't read it, just don't be negative about it please because he was a talmid chochom and was coming from a good place.
this book has been discussed here before at length with lots of lashon hara involved, so let's not get into lashon hara on this thread.
I'm just mentioning it to explain why I voted for 'no , hearts are a problem'

Basically, Rav Falks opinion is that hearts are a symbol of tumah for the outside world. 60+ years ago, or maybe longer ago, as we all know, people in the non-jewish world were less crude, less immodest.
The heart symbol has become a symbol of tumah, he says.

so I know most people don't agree with that, and thats fine . But I agree with what he says and I have that sensitivity. In my house, I quietly avoid buying clothing with hearts on for my girls. especially big hearts. My girls have never commented on it, and have never asked for clothing with hearts on specifically, as I buy them plenty of other nice stuff instead.

there you go, theres an explanation about what your neighbor was talking about, OP

I wanted to post this.
IMHO a huge red heart on a well developed young woman doesn't look eidel. It's not good taste. On the other hand there's are worse things.
Small hearts in other colors on girls could look very very sweet.
Back to top

DrMom




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 12:32 am
amother Amaranthus wrote:
Google says it represents a woman's buttocks.
I'm choosing not to let that bother me since nobody seems to be aware of that.

Do we not have enough problems that we need to invent new ones?

If it's going to represent anything anatomical, wouldn't it make sense that it represents a... heart? Does anybody really look at a heart and think "buttocks?"

There are all sorts of goofy minority theories. Someone hypothesizes that stands for a giant type of fennel.
https://www.history.com/news/w.....ymbol
Better now?
Back to top

DrMom




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 12:41 am
amother Quince wrote:
Ok I'll bite.

25 years ago as a newlywed I read Rabbi Falk's book Oz vehodor levusha. Please don't bash this book. For those whom it is hashkafically appropriate for, it is very good. If it's not your speed, don't read it, just don't be negative about it please because he was a talmid chochom and was coming from a good place.
this book has been discussed here before at length with lots of lashon hara involved, so let's not get into lashon hara on this thread.
I'm just mentioning it to explain why I voted for 'no , hearts are a problem'

Basically, Rav Falks opinion is that hearts are a symbol of tumah for the outside world. 60+ years ago, or maybe longer ago, as we all know, people in the non-jewish world were less crude, less immodest.
The heart symbol has become a symbol of tumah, he says.


so I know most people don't agree with that, and thats fine . But I agree with what he says and I have that sensitivity. In my house, I quietly avoid buying clothing with hearts on for my girls. especially big hearts. My girls have never commented on it, and have never asked for clothing with hearts on specifically, as I buy them plenty of other nice stuff instead.

there you go, theres an explanation about what your neighbor was talking about, OP

What does the world being less crude 60 years ago have to do with hearts representing tumah? I didn't understand that part of your post at all.
Back to top

amother
Floralwhite


 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 12:41 am
DrMom wrote:
Do we not have enough problems that we need to invent new ones?

If it's going to represent anything anatomical, wouldn't it make sense that it represents a... heart? Does anybody really look at a heart and think "buttocks?"

There are all sorts of goofy minority theories. Someone hypothesizes that stands for a giant type of fennel.
https://www.history.com/news/w.....ymbol
Better now?


Sarcasm alert!

Oh Dr. Mom,
Don't you know? Lots of people don't eat fennel because of infestation and it is very time consuming to check properly, therefore because of possible kashrus concerns with fennel, a heart design would be most inappropriate. Wink
Back to top

Bnei Berak 10




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 12:41 am
DrMom wrote:
Do we not have enough problems that we need to invent new ones?

If it's going to represent anything anatomical, wouldn't it make sense that it represents a... heart? Does anybody really look at a heart and think "buttocks?"

There are all sorts of goofy minority theories. Someone hypothesizes that stands for a giant type of fennel.
https://www.history.com/news/w.....ymbol
Better now?

Well spoken DrMom!
Back to top

salt




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 3:45 am
Why don't boys wear hearts on their clothes?
Back to top

amother
Cyclamen


 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 4:10 am
Years ago when my husband was asking me about jewelry, I said no to a heart necklace because hearts to me are juvenile.
It's come back in fashion and it's still weird to me. In my mind hearts are for little girls.
Back to top

amother
Floralwhite


 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 4:19 am
salt wrote:
Why don't boys wear hearts on their clothes?


Well, I just did a quick search and found no shortage of boys' t-shirts etc with heart designs, albeit fewer than for girls.

I would imagine that the answer to your question would be largely due societal conditioning, although in wider circles beyond our communities these things have become much more fluid.

But I've never seen boys get excited over hearts they same way as girls do.
Back to top

amother
Viola


 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 4:23 am
Growing up my father didn't let us wear hearts. In his mind the concept of "love" was assur. Everything had to be mechanical & business like, with as many chumrahs as possible. Obviously growing up like that caused a lot of damage, and some of my siblings struggled a lot in their marriage, with others OTD. Please let us stop being so extreme.
Back to top

amother
Floralwhite


 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 4:29 am
amother Viola wrote:
Growing up my father didn't let us wear hearts. In his mind the concept of "love" was assur. Everything had to be mechanical & business like, with as many chumrahs as possible. Obviously growing up like that caused a lot of damage, and some of my siblings struggled a lot in their marriage, with others OTD. Please let us stop being so extreme.


And while I really look up to people who are machmir and makpid in their devotion to serving HaShem, this right here is the danger in that. When so many mundane things are either forbidden or considered improper, you have many throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
Back to top

amother
Seashell


 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 4:31 am
My girls definitely wear hearts. I’m in Lakewood and I don’t know many people who would have an issue with this , if any.

That being said there are definitely some very right wing people, mostly hasidish , who see it as a nonJewish symbol and will not wear it. This is a small minority. They probably see it similar to wearing a pumpkin , which technically is a vegetable but some may associate with Halloween. I don’t agree with this view but don’t see it as a huge deal if people hold that: we all have our things.
Back to top

Notsobusy




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 4:46 am
salt wrote:
Why don't boys wear hearts on their clothes?


To me it's a girly symbol. So the same way I wouldn't dress my son in a shirt with butterflies, I wouldnt dress my dd in a shirt with bulldozers.
Back to top

amother
Sapphire


 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 7:07 am
DrMom wrote:
Do we not have enough problems that we need to invent new ones?

If it's going to represent anything anatomical, wouldn't it make sense that it represents a... heart? Does anybody really look at a heart and think "buttocks?"

There are all sorts of goofy minority theories. Someone hypothesizes that stands for a giant type of fennel.
https://www.history.com/news/w.....ymbol
Better now?

Lol, I came here to say this. I’ve seen many real human hearts and honestly the shape is not that off. Think of the top as the two atria and the bottom is the apex of the two ventricles. I can definitely see how it became a stylized symbol of a heart.
https://I.imgur.com/udCoSRE.jpeg
Back to top

zaq




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 8:20 am
salt wrote:
Why don't boys wear hearts on their clothes?


Because overt sentimentality is considered unmanly.
Back to top

Bnei Berak 10




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 8:23 am
salt wrote:
Why don't boys wear hearts on their clothes?

More of a girlish thing
Back to top

amother
Sapphire


 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 8:51 am
salt wrote:
Why don't boys wear hearts on their clothes?

Same reason they don't generally wear flowers or pink.
Back to top

amother
Ivory


 

Post Thu, Feb 22 2024, 11:07 am
My baby wore a shirt with a heart today, I'm sure no one had romantic thoughts about it. We just love her because she is so cute and the heart on her shirt is adorable and if there is any love there, it is just normal parent love of our cute baby. But I have only girls (oldest is 11), I have no problem with them wearing hearts at any age.
Back to top
Page 3 of 3 Previous  1  2  3 Recent Topics




Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum -> Shopping

Related Topics Replies Last Post
Looking for easy-to-do projects for my girls this week
by amother
2 Yesterday at 8:01 pm View last post
How much are high-school girls chargi for backyard daycamps?
by amother
2 Yesterday at 7:47 pm View last post
S\O BY curriculum Chasidish girls curriculum
by GLUE
43 Yesterday at 6:23 pm View last post
Please post links for girls swim dresses
by amother
6 Yesterday at 5:55 pm View last post
Girls cotton terry robe links
by amother
2 Yesterday at 5:33 pm View last post