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btMOMtoFFBs




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, May 07 2009, 3:12 pm
So, lately I have been trying to bake our breads instead of buying. I have been using King Arthur's white whole wheat flour instead of bread flour, and the recipes just don't seem to be working.

My regular challah recipe is 1/2 regular whole wheat and 1/2 bread flour and it comes out great. Just wondering if my other breads are flopping because there isn't enough gluten in the ww flour.

Any advice from experienced bread bakers is welcome.
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gamekeeper




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, May 07 2009, 4:02 pm
this is a really really good recipe! instead of molasses I added like 2 tbls honey and I put like 1 tbls of salt
the method is really detailed but it doesnt really take that long!
good luck

INGREDIENTS
1 package active dry yeast (or 1 Tbl bulk active yeast)
1/2 tsp sugar
1/4 cup water 100 F (37 C)
6 cups water, 100 F (37 C)
1 Tbl molasses
1 tsp salt (more or less, depending on taste)
9-12 cups whole wheat flour, finely stone ground. (I am embarassed to say I buy mine from the ADM corporation. Embarassed because they are a huge agribusiness corporation...)
vegetable oil
1) Start the yeast: Warm 1/4 cup water to 100 F, dissolve 1/2 tsp sugar, stir in Tbl active yeast to suspend. Set a side for 10-15 minutes. It should foam up in that time. If not, get some good yeast.
2) Warm 6 cups of water to 100 F, add to bowl, whisk in the molasses and the salt. Add the foamy yeast, whisk in.
3) Whisk in flour, 2 cups at a time until it is too stiff to easily mix with the whisk. Clean dough off of whisk. Add another cup or two of flour on top of dough, work down along the sides with your fingers so the dough does not stick. Continue adding flour until dough begins to "come together." (Gets slightly firmish...)
4) Sprinkle a cup or two of flour on a clean kneading surface (porcelain counters work great), and turn out dough onto the flour. Loosen stuck spots in the bowl by rubbing with flour. Sprinkle flour on top of dough, and lightly bring in edges with your fingertips, folding over on top. Every time you see a wet spot, hit it with a little flour, keep folding over and turning on itself. Continue until there are no more major wet spots.
5) Knead the dough until it is smooth and elastic: Fold the dough in half, press down and roll with the heel of your hand, turn the dough a quart of a turn. Repeat these steps over and over, adding small amounts of flour to prevent sticking either to the board or to your hands. Do not add so much flour that the dough gets tough or hard.

Notice that the actual amount of flour added depends on the nature, grind, amoung of glutin, etc. of your flour. This is the art of bread making: you kneed in flour until it is the correct consistency.
6) Brush the 2 gallon pot with a small amount of oil to prevent the dough from sticking, and turn the dough in to the pot. Turn the dough over several times to coat all sides with oil. Cover the pot, let sit in warm place until double in size, about an hour or so, depending on how warm the spot is. Do not let it get above 105 F (40 C).
7) Punch the dough down, knead briefly to bring back together, and weigh out four pieces of 1 3/4 lbs each. Reserve the remaining 1 pound of dough for either a pizza, or schecken sweet rolls .
8) Knead each of the four loaves until they are smooth and elastic. Let rest for a few minutes, then shape each into a loaf as follows:
SHAPE THE LOAVES:
Press out into a rectangle about 6 x 8 inches. Roll snuggly along the long dimension, and pinch the end edge against the body of the loaf. Turn the seam so it is on the bottom, and press each end with the side of the hand about 1/2 inch from the end and turn each flap under the loaf. (We need pictures here...)
9) Gently transfer the loaf to a lightly oiled bread pan so that all seams are on the bottom, and it is centered in the pan. Repeat for the other three loaves.

Place on a carrying rack
10) Wet a clean, white non-terrycloth dish towel, and wring out as much water as you can. Cover the four loaves with the damp towel, and place the rack in a warm place until doubled in size. Do not let the loaves over-rise, or they will fall, and you will have "flat top" bread... This is especially a problem with coarsely ground flour.

The pan at the left is a cinnamon-pecan roll, similar in construction to schnecken . It will be covered with a camp cloth also.
11) Pre heat the oven to 360 F before the loaves have doubled in size. With the oven preheated and the loaves doubled in size, place the loaves on a rack in the middle of the oven (top rack and bottoms racks often burn edges). Ensure equal circulation of hot air around all sides of each pan.

Check after 20 minutes to be sure they are evenly baking. Rotate loaves if you see some more done than others.
12) After 30-35 minutes, remove the most done looking loaf with hot pads/mitts. Remove it from the pan. Sometimes it takes a sharp rap of the corner of the pan on a hard surface to free it. Thump the bottom of the loaf with a sharp rap of the finger. If it sounds hollow, it is done. If it sounds muffled or sodden, bake it 5 minutes more and test it again. As loaves sound hollow, remove from the oven, and place on a cooling rack which allows air circulation so the steam can escape.

This is a good time to taste the heel with a slab of cold butter...
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btMOMtoFFBs




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, May 07 2009, 4:13 pm
whoa, thank you gamekeeper (I hope you copied and pasted that and didn't go to the trouble of tyoing that all up for 'lil ole me!)

So, maybe its my technique once the dough is made that's the problem, it rises just fine, but the loaf comes out just hard and unappealing. Too smooth on top, and not bursting-open-crusty. The inside is not fluffy enough.

Thanks for the recipe and detailed instructions.
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creativemommyto3




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, May 07 2009, 4:21 pm
What can I use instead of molasses? I have white and brown sugar
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gamekeeper




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, May 07 2009, 4:23 pm
yeah I copied and pasted it from my recipe collection Smile
I originally got it from a website when I was searching for a good recipe. it originally came with an instruction video- but I didnt keep it...
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btMOMtoFFBs




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, May 07 2009, 4:33 pm
I found this about the substitution:

Molasses Substitute

For 1 cup, use 1 cup honey; or 3/4 cup firmly packed brown sugar; or granulated sugar plus 1/4 cup liquid (water or other liquid called for in recipe); 1 cup dark corn syrup; or 1 cup pure maple syrup.
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creativemommyto3




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, May 07 2009, 5:22 pm
btMOMtoFFBs wrote:
I found this about the substitution:

Molasses Substitute

For 1 cup, use 1 cup honey; or 3/4 cup firmly packed brown sugar; or granulated sugar plus 1/4 cup liquid (water or other liquid called for in recipe); 1 cup dark corn syrup; or 1 cup pure maple syrup.


Thanks Very Happy
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sky




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, May 07 2009, 8:08 pm
Based on advice I got there I've been adding gluten to my bread. I follow the amounts it says on the box. I do this in my bread machine. For bread it works really well. I'm still having issues with my challah.
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