Whats so bad about Las Vegas?

amother

Bronze

Sat, Sep 07 2019, 8:16 pm

amother [ Honeydew ] wrote:

My husband had to go there for work. I had no problem with him going there but he chose not to. He didn't want to put himself in a position where he may have slight temptations to sin.

There obviously is more to it then a 2 yr old in a candy store if a full grown mature adult could see reason not to go.

That says a lot more about your husband, than it does about Las Vegas.

Metukah

Sat, Sep 07 2019, 8:53 pm

amother [ Bronze ] wrote:

That says a lot more about your husband, than it does about Las Vegas.

Yup. It does.

It shows that he has self awareness and knows that it wouldn't be right to put himself in temptations way.

He also knows that those who wrote 'don't trust yourself until your day of death' had reason for it and were probably wiser than him.

I'm not saying a frum man can't go to Vegas without sinning, but to put down a man for putting up 'gedarim' is just going too far.

amother

Black

Sat, Sep 07 2019, 11:10 pm

shabbatiscoming wrote:

I 100% agree with FF.
I still cant believe it when I read on this site just how much some of you women dont trust your husbands. Its really shocking. A good married man, in a good relationship with his wife, in a marriage where trust is paramount, should be trusted to act like a normal adult. And wives should not be thinking that just because a husband sees xyz, he will act upon that. Come on ladies, where is trust? Where is normalcy? I know men who have gone on business trips to vegas, from israel. And they never really saw anything but the office the were going to.
Why do so many women just not trust their husbands??????? It says a lot of about you and what you think of men and your husband. And it saddens me completely. And upsets me as well.

I do trust my husband, but he is still human.

Truthfully, I wouldn’t want him to visit even if I were there, too. The tumah and inappropriate images are really in your face. Not appropriate for a frum man. This is not just about trust.

nchr

Sat, Sep 07 2019, 11:25 pm

shabbatiscoming wrote:

I agree with you. It's also shocking how many people here think it is possible to "control" another adult (their spouses) and that it is ok to do things like dictate where he may go, check his phone, not give him any free time, etc.

Rappel

Sat, Sep 07 2019, 11:44 pm

amother [ Bronze ] wrote:

That says a lot more about your husband, than it does about Las Vegas.

For all those people telling the OP "what, you don't trust your husband??" -

First: everything in the OP makes it seem like her DH is managing his affairs quite nicely on his own. None of this nannying nonsense, please.

Second: just because I think something can stand up to stress, doesn't mean it should be tested. I believe G-Shock when they say that my watch would withstand a hammer blow. Me and my watch go about our day unconcerned, but I'm not going to toss it under a bus just for kicks, and if it survives, under a plane. I can trust that the watch has rigourous strength without needing it to walk the catwalk of risk for my personal benefit. Call me chicken if you feel like it, but it still makes you sound juvenile.

Third: It sounds like OP and her husband are not of the LV world, and that they would find the atmosphere vulgar and distasteful. I've never been there either, but I can imagine that it isn't a place which promotes the dignity of the soul. Is it so terrible that someone wouldn't want to walk there? Why are you daring others to touch a live wire, when you know it hurts?

HonesttoGod

Sun, Sep 08 2019, 12:00 am

I am curious, how do you all feel about a woman going to Vegas?
Because obviously a woman can "keep it in her pants" unlike all your husbands?
And for a woman there are no "temptations"?

This thread makes me laugh. I have been to vegas many many times and I absolutely love it. I love the hotels, the decor, the themes, the shows, the food... it really is a fabulous place. Somehow (don't all go collapsing now) I managed to stay away from the gambling because I don't get it/enjoy it. I was never tempted by, nor tried to be seduced by, nor ended up in bed with, another man.

I would trust my husband to go to Vegas, especially for business, the same way I would trust him to go to Atlanta, Houston, Canada, NYC, etc etc.
I would trust him to go for a vacation as well because a: there is so much more fun and exciting things to see/do than hookers. And b: I trust my husband. Which obviously doesn't seem to be in the majority here.

Side point: For those of you that are confused, those that go to Vegas for business, they land, go to the hotel, it takes 20 minutes to get to your room, you sleep, 20 minutes to the taxi to the expo center which is SO HUGE it isn't worth it to go out of during the day. Day ends, you're exhausted, if anything you go to see a show but majority of business people go back to the hotel to sleep.
A mature, grown, businessman, can do business without wanting to jump the taxi driver :eye roll:

amother

Teal

Sun, Sep 08 2019, 1:04 am

Most women trust their husbands. But there is a Torah concept of creating a fence for sin by being extra careful (not going to specific places, or going but being accompanied by someone etc.). Even if there's only a tiny percent of chance for sin, we'd like to avoid it.

DrMom

Sun, Sep 08 2019, 4:10 am

amother [ Teal ] wrote:

I don't know of anywhere that is 100% free of the possibility for sin. Unless you cryogenically freeze yourself until Moshiach arrives, every place you go exposes you to risk.

The question is whether *reasonable* measures can be taken to minimize risk, and if the resulting risk level is *acceptable*.

Of course, "reasonable" and "acceptable" are subjective, and may depend on many personal histories, traits, tendencies, etc., so after the necessary information has been gathered, OP and her DH can decide what to do.

amother

Magenta

Sun, Sep 08 2019, 8:02 am

My husband goes to Vegas all the time for business and yes I trust him. We have discussed whores and after all said and done those women carry diseases and all it’s x a temptation. A temptation would more likely happen where ur living by someone who ain’t carrying disease. And all those thinking they can control there husbands are wrong they are grown adults.

amother

Red

Sun, Sep 08 2019, 10:40 am

cm wrote:

I was wondering the same thing. There's another thread asking about the local frum community. I hope someone will chime in.

That thread was talking about Henderson Nevada. That's not las vegas. Let me break it down in even simpler terms. Anyone who visits the Las Vegas strip is virtually guaranteed to see pictures of naked woman. Period. They have huge billboards with these pictures. They have taxi's with pictures of almost naked woman advertising their "business". They have the people handing out the business cards with the same pictures. They have a van that does nothing but go up and down the strip all day with a huge advertisement and pictures of virtually naked woman who will visit you in your hotel. Like I said earlier, prostitution is basically legal in vegas. It's openly advertised.

It's not that everyone's husband will be tempted into relations. I'm certain almost all won't be tempted. It's about men going to an environment where there is sx literally in their face. This is not the same as Manhattan, los Angeles or any other city. Not even close. Sure a man can probably find sx in other cities. In vegas, he won't even have to look. It will be right in front of him.

amother

Red

Sun, Sep 08 2019, 10:56 am

Violet123 wrote:

I was never in Vegas.
And I'm very surprised no one mentioned this but I feel if a Rav said this I'd trust him more than anonymous posters on imamother.
As you see with the responses there were many opinions here already.

How would a rav possibly know about the specifics of sx advertising in las Vegas? Does your rav know about the billboards and taxi advertisements? How could a rav make an informed decision regarding something he likely knows nothing about?

sub

Sun, Sep 08 2019, 11:24 am

I would like to point out the gambling aspect. We have an acquaintance who deals with addiction. He cannot step foot in a place like las vegas. Fact is that the purpose of that area is to let go. I’ve been there and even during the daytime the nonstop gambling and people walking around drunk, with huge cups of alcohol and indecently clad, sets a vibe full of tumah. It’s not an issue of trust, it’s an issue of sitting in filth. It envelopes you. And to those who state that it is no different than any other place- show me such a place. This has nothing to do with being jewish or frum.
We are of course talking about a specific area. One can sight see at the grand canyon and Indian reservation, which is what we did on time off from the business show.

amother

Oak

Sun, Sep 08 2019, 11:27 am

sub wrote:

Rephrasing OP - the trip was okay if she was going with her DH.

sub

Sun, Sep 08 2019, 12:10 pm

amother [ Goldenrod ] wrote:

If OP thinks it's ok for DH to go if she goes along, she's wrong.
It's the same wrong to go for men and women. It's the same wrong for a man to go even if his wife goes along.

OP was asking why it’s not a good place, she did not say it’s ok. And many businesses have their expos there, that is why the question arises about how and what to do.