Shemonah esrai question

amother

Mon, Oct 07 2019, 6:38 pm

I am too embarrassed to ask my LOR..at the end if shemonah esrai after you take 3 steps forward are you supposed to do 3 heel lifts..I have seen people do this and others not

amother

Rose

Mon, Oct 07 2019, 7:26 pm

It's a girl's thing. Men don't do it.

It's a mistake.

If one finishes davening shemona esrei (in shul) at the same time that the chazan reaches kedusha, he/ she should do the 3 heels lifts that are required for kedusha.
And from this women derived the halacha that you ALWAYS must do it...
At least this is what I heard from either my brothers or husband. Don't remember which one...

But I definitely am not a rav. Just what I heard...

amother

Mon, Oct 07 2019, 7:30 pm

That's what I thought. I used to do it cuz I think I lear8that in school 100 years ago, but then I read you don't, but then I saw a man doing it this shabbos...

amother

Rose

Mon, Oct 07 2019, 7:32 pm

Did he finish when the chazan was up to kedusha?

amother

Mon, Oct 07 2019, 7:39 pm

amother [ Rose ] wrote:

Did he finish when the chazan was up to kedusha?

nope he was behind , alot of kavana, and finished when the chazzan was way past kedusha

amother

Rose

Mon, Oct 07 2019, 7:44 pm

So idk. But it's also possible that some men are confused.

zaq

Mon, Oct 07 2019, 8:01 pm

According to Rabbi Arthur Megillah, Art Scroll to his pals, you take three steps back, say your oseh shalom bowing left, right and center,pause for a few moments and then take three steps forward. No heel lifts though I’ve seen lots of people do them. Probably used to myself but gave them up for Lent.

amother

Mon, Oct 07 2019, 8:07 pm

zaq wrote:

Thanks and hahaha to ur lent line.

amother

Orchid

Mon, Oct 07 2019, 8:39 pm

No. It’s a mistake both men and women often make.
After you take the three steps forward you’re supposed to just pause for one second before you walk away.
No heal lifts.

chestnut

Mon, Oct 07 2019, 9:10 pm

Omg, I didn't know you aren't supposed to do it with heels. I learned it by observing.
Thanks!

pizza4

Mon, Oct 07 2019, 9:16 pm

I think people do that to remind you to pause a few seconds before walking away.

Optione

Mon, Oct 07 2019, 9:44 pm

Here's my understanding:
People in shul will take 3 steps back for oseh shalom and then stand there until kedusha. They come forward in time to "rise" in their steps for kedusha. If you're not doing it as part of kedusha, then there's nothing to it.

Flip Flops

Mon, Oct 07 2019, 9:51 pm

There was a thread on this not so long ago. It's total nonsense. Some say it started because ppl finish shmone esrei and went straight into kedusha. Others say the origin is from people who want to make sure not to rush off too fast.
Eitherway you do not have to do it (though I still do because old habits die hard!!)

lucky14

Mon, Oct 07 2019, 10:05 pm

Well now I feel really stupid for doing this. Thank you for bringing it up. I always wondered why not everyone did it...