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amother
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Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 4:01 pm
My 5 year old suddenly became the biggest yirai shomayim. Washing his hands 10x while davening, checking if he made a bracha a few times etc. Also saying he is scared to go to sleep, cause he won't wake as he sins too much.
I asked advice, and was told he definitely needs medication.
But I read here on Imamother that it can be PANDAs or something else. Also, 5 years is very very young for such issues.
Anyone with experience and advise?
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oneofakind




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 4:09 pm
Of course check for PANDAS first. If it's not, a child therapist who deals with OCD in young children could be very helpful.
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amother
OP


 

Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 4:11 pm
Getting an appointment with a therapist would take months! So how do I check for PANDAS?
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oneofakind




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 4:18 pm
Start with your pediatrician.
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amother
Pewter


 

Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 4:22 pm
Get an appointment with a psychiatrist. This sounds like real ocd more than pandas.
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amother
OP


 

Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 4:23 pm
And I tell him that I read on Imatoher about PANDAS? I think he will send ME to a therapist LOL
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amother
Aconite


 

Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 4:27 pm
Where are you located? For a psychologist recommendation..

Check strep titers and Lyme. If those come back positive you need to treat those instead of the OCD. Treating OCD if caused by those is like a bandaid if it would even work at all.
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amother
OP


 

Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 4:34 pm
Thanks. I'm in Antwerp, Belgium.
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out-of-towner




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 5:08 pm
Always check with your PCP first. If it's sudden onset it could come from a UTI or a deficiency of sorts.
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oneofakind




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 5:28 pm
UTIs cause psychotic symptoms in the elderly, not children but yes, MD first.
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amother
SandyBrown


 

Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 5:34 pm
Pandas or pans, without a doubt. Please please please try pandas treatment first before putting your kid on psych meds. There is a time and place for everything, but pandas can be reversed especially if caught early.
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amother
Pewter


 

Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 5:36 pm
amother SandyBrown wrote:
Pandas or pans, without a doubt. Please please please try pandas treatment first before putting your kid on psych meds. There is a time and place for everything, but pandas can be reversed especially if caught early.


Very irresponsible to say without a doubt. There are many things that cause such symptoms. Pandas is only one possible answer.
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amother
Milk


 

Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 5:39 pm
Check for strep. So important.
Then also Lyme
Speaking from experience. This happened to us but my son was 7
He had OCD behaviors -Pandas from lingering strep.
It was a hard few months, with two episodes- but it passed completely
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amother
SandyBrown


 

Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 5:39 pm
amother Pewter wrote:
Very irresponsible to say without a doubt. There are many things that cause such symptoms. Pandas is only one possible answer.
There may be other names for it, but mostly they are not root causes.
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amother
Smokey


 

Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 5:44 pm
Your best bet is to read up on pandas on pandasnetwork.org or pandasppn.org (for physicians).
They will have material and studies and tests to do that you can print out and bring to your doctor.
If you were anywhere in the mountains this summer, please also check for lyme disease and other tickborne diseases.
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amother
Snapdragon


 

Post Wed, Aug 16 2023, 5:49 pm
Had the same thing with my son. He had brain inflammation probably. Was diagnosed with Lyme. We also checked nutrition. He was low in b12 and d. He had anxiety as well. So we treated it all together. And when it wasn’t enough, we did a dose of Zoloft and it helped together with his healing. We treated with a clean diet, anti inflammatory foods, accupuncture to build up his immune system and meds for short term.
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amother
Fuchsia


 

Post Sun, May 05 2024, 1:18 am
amother OP wrote:
My 5 year old suddenly became the biggest yirai shomayim. Washing his hands 10x while davening, checking if he made a bracha a few times etc. Also saying he is scared to go to sleep, cause he won't wake as he sins too much.
I asked advice, and was told he definitely needs medication.
But I read here on Imamother that it can be PANDAs or something else. Also, 5 years is very very young for such issues.
Anyone with experience and advise?

op, same situation now with my 5 year old. would you share what ended up happening with your child?
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fig




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, May 05 2024, 2:11 am
amother Snapdragon wrote:
Had the same thing with my son. He had brain inflammation probably. Was diagnosed with Lyme. We also checked nutrition. He was low in b12 and d. He had anxiety as well. So we treated it all together. And when it wasn’t enough, we did a dose of Zoloft and it helped together with his healing. We treated with a clean diet, anti inflammatory foods, accupuncture to build up his immune system and meds for short term.

Can I ask who helped you with this? Which dr/practitioner ?
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amother
Denim


 

Post Sun, May 05 2024, 2:34 am
If it's sudden onset it sounds like Pandas. They can check it with a blood test.
One problem can be if your pediatrician doesn't 'believe' in Pandas. Hopefully you can get to the bottom of this easily BezH.
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myname1




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, May 05 2024, 5:09 am
I'm also curious what happened with your son, OP. These are all halachic/yiras shamayim concerns so it sounds like an issue with how/what he was taught more than an issue with him himself. Would love to hear what it was. (I hope you got it figured out by now.)
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