These Annoying Masks!!!!! Vent!

↑ PinkFridge

Fri, Aug 14 2020, 9:24 am

southernbubby wrote:

Masks were supposed to be a way to safely open the economy. Yeah we can all stay home and order stuff online and phone in the grocery order but masks and SD was supposed to provide a safe way for us all to go out and shop and at least be somewhat of a society. Of course we wish that we didn't have to wear them.
I am grateful for what Trump has done for Israel and Jews but I am fearful because again, his skilled inflammatory rhetoric has turned anti-maskers as crusaders for truth, justice, and the American way.
Other countries have their own share of mask rebels and I am not sure if it's political or if they are just simply selfish.

He has started to wear them and even likes how he looks in them. But too little too late. Had he started earlier, you can be sure that many people would have followed him. There would be a flood of MAGA masks out there.

tryinghard

Fri, Aug 14 2020, 9:54 am

Masks work! Mask saves lives! Masks stop the spread! Science says so!

There are a lot of studies out there showing otherwise. Studies like this one: https://www.acpjournals.org/do.....-1342
Also, countries such as Denmark, Finland and Norway have pretty good numbers and have the lowest rates of mask wearing.

Someone mentioned that smaller countries go it under control by using masks. There is absolutely no way to say this. Correlation does not equal causation. In reality, they got it under control with intensive contact tracing along with draconian lockdowns.

↑ southernbubby ↓

Fri, Aug 14 2020, 10:02 am

tryinghard wrote:

It's probably a mixed bag. Masks are not foolproof and the gold standard for prevention is social distancing. Lockdowns may be draconian but unless people avoid each other voluntarily, the disease spreads. Masks are basically second best. If I want to go out in public, I may or may not protect myself with a mask but I absolutely protect myself if I am not near another person or infected animal.
My friends from Jamaica said that masks was only one of the factors that helped them get the virus under control and draconian lockdowns was another.

↑ SixOfWands ↓

Fri, Aug 14 2020, 10:32 am

tryinghard wrote:

You cited a retracted study of 4 people.

Denmark, for example, also shut down early and tight.

But let me ask. Your child needs surgery. Its minor, near 100% chance of success and recovery. The morning of the surgery, the surgeon tells you she's been reading some things on the internet, and has concluded that a mask restricts her oxygen flow and just plain old doesn't stop germ transmission. Neither she nor any member of the surgical team will be wearing a mask. Are you relieved -- thank goodness you found a surgeon who makes sense -- or do you find someone else?

↑ NotInNJMommy ↓

Fri, Aug 14 2020, 10:39 am

We put off a bris for even the slightest evidence of concern over a babies health, even though medically, in many cases, a doctor would not see a baby being slightly too yellow or too red as being too much at risk. We are cautious about so many things for good reason. I'm not sure why wearing a mask to reduce risk and/or keep others more at ease is such a crisis. I'm not sure why we are excusing away basic derech eretz and ahavas yisroel and ahavas habriyos. Lots of things are inconveniences...even in the dawn of the use of seat belts, lots of people tsk tsk'd it and complained. I think now most of us know that seatbelts have been and are a pretty smart move. I don't like people getting in my business anymore than the next person, but if wearing a mask may help, why wouldn't I? I mean, seriously, it's not like we've been asked to jump on one foot or tie one hand behind our backs or wear blue on Tuesday (clearly pointless things). Yes, it's one more thing to think about, I modify my choices of where I go and when so I don't have to wear it all the time. I think we're all worth that.

↑ SixOfWands ↓

Fri, Aug 14 2020, 10:49 am

amother [ Rose ] wrote:

A surgeon wears a n95 surgical mask and medical PPE

hopefully not a bandana

which may be a good look but don't do much atall

(signed) would wear n95 masks inside or in crowds if I could get them

Whenever I meet surgeons, they seem to be wearing surgical masks. I couldn't find the answer, so I looked for images -- all surgical masks.

https://www.google.com/search?.....h=869

Signed -- science, not internet users.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Fri, Aug 14 2020, 10:50 am

amother [ Linen ] wrote:

Masks block both ways, but inhaling and exhaling don't produce the same amount of pressure.

Sneezing and Coughing is far more pressure than inhaling still air.

So masks are better at keeping viruses OUT than they are at keeping viruses IN.

So masks protect the WEARER - which the pro-maskers deny.

↑ SixOfWands ↓

Fri, Aug 14 2020, 10:57 am

amother [ Rose ] wrote:

Right -- surgical masks

like a level of n95 or other medical grade mask that effectively keeps germs out

if you however choose to wear a bandana it is legal and your right to choose to do so

hope everyone stays healthy

A "surgical mask" is not an N95.

Surgical mask

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Fri, Aug 14 2020, 10:58 am

amother [ Rose ] wrote:

The fact that it is legal to wear a USELESS bandana is proof this is about CONTROL - government forcing everyone to obey - and not about public health!

↑ SixOfWands ↓

Fri, Aug 14 2020, 11:00 am

#BestBubby wrote:

So would you agree to have your grandchild operated on by a surgeon without a mask.

amother

↑ Rose ↓

Fri, Aug 14 2020, 11:03 am

SOW would you say you are diverting the thread?

Do you seriously think someone would want someone to operate without an effective medical grade surgical mask? Do you relish nitpicking? yes n95 is used for many professions to screen particulates as well as germs. Yes medical professionals have medical grade professional masks.

What is truly your point?

I value the vast majority of imamothers' intelligence even when they do not (gasp) agree with me.

↑ SixOfWands ↓

Fri, Aug 14 2020, 11:04 am

#BestBubby wrote:

The fact that it is legal to wear a USELESS bandana is proof this is about CONTROL - government forcing everyone to obey - and not about public health!

Im going to ignore your introduction of politics into a non-political forum. Doesn't this ever get old for you?

While bandanas are the least effective type of mask, they are still effective.

Quote:

Scientists at Florida Atlantic University are experimenting with different non-medical masks to find the most effective face covering to help stop the spread of COVID-19. These researchers determined that a bandana was the least effective among the mask options, though better than nothing.

They “delivered” a sneeze or cough from a mannequin head wearing varying face coverings and used lasers to detect respiratory droplets.

Their results showed that droplets from an uncovered cough were able to travel more than 8 feet.

Droplets from a bandana-covered cough traveled 3 feet. With a folded cotton handkerchief, droplets traveled 1 foot, 3 inches, and with the cone-style masks, they traveled about eight inches.

Stitched-quilting fabric masks were the most effective, with droplets traveling 2.5 inches.

“Our researchers have demonstrated how masks are able to significantly curtail the speed and range of the respiratory droplets and jets. Moreover, they have uncovered how emulated coughs can travel noticeably farther than the currently recommended 6-foot distancing guideline,” said Stella Batalama, Ph.D., dean of FAU’s College of Engineering and Computer Science.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Fri, Aug 14 2020, 11:18 am

SixOfWands wrote:

So would you agree to have your grandchild operated on by a surgeon without a mask.

No. Apples and Oranges.

Surgeons wear mask so they shouldn't cough and sneeze on a patient that is cut open.

It's not about spreading viruses.

Doctors and patients never wore masks for office visits - only for surgery (cut open).

↑ SixOfWands ↓

Fri, Aug 14 2020, 11:18 am

amother [ Rose ] wrote:

Personal attack under imamother. You must be proud of yourself.

If masks don't stop the spread of germs, what use are they in surgery?

↑ SixOfWands ↓

Fri, Aug 14 2020, 11:19 am

#BestBubby wrote:

So the sole purpose of surgical masks is to prevent sneezing in open wounds?