if you keep CY, would you give Pediasure to kids if they...

amother

Tue, Nov 15 2011, 2:17 pm

are underweight??? not emaciated, but surely not getting enough food in to grow.

3 year old used to give me a hard time with eating, and I gave him for a couple of months because he really was practically anorexic. but BH now he is eating again. still skinny but better.

and now my 10 month old 16 lbs girl wont eat any solids and her main source of nutrition is my milk which is not enough anymore since she wakes up every hour at night and is so active on the floor all day. she is already loosing weight (was born very small to start with, 4.15 lbs at 37 weeks) so pediatrician suggested pediasure.

I am very careful with my children when it comes to cy, and when I gave my 3 yo I thought it only had milk powder which my rabbi allows. but this time around I read the package again and it says it contains milk protein concentrate.

I know this is a question for the rabbi, but while I reach him, am I being paranoid with cy? (although I keep yashan with my kids im lenient )

Tue, Nov 15 2011, 3:38 pm

Yes. Vachai Bahem means you don't sacrifice your children's health - especially for something that isn't black and white halacha.

But if you call the ou, they may be able to tell you which flavors and stuff are less non-cholov yisroel than others. (Pedialyte is ou-d but they said it's really only de - maybe they have some sort of info about pediasure too)

Ema of 5

Tue, Nov 15 2011, 3:48 pm

I gave my son pediasure when he needed it. pediasure is not something that most parents give by choice- there is a medical, health reason to give it. your job as a mother is to make sure your child stays healthy, and if giving him or her pediasure can help to ensure that, than I dont see another option. (by the way, I didnt ask my rav, because I knew it would be a no brainer)

skazm

Tue, Nov 15 2011, 4:39 pm

my husban di spretty machpid - no chalav stam for the kids - but if you ask a doctor and there's no alternative, ain mah laasot really, ask your rav, it's a shaila

overthehill

Tue, Nov 15 2011, 6:36 pm

If this is what your kid needs for health, then that is what you do. Period.

There are some babies that need to take formulas such as Nutramigen which are 100% not kosher and may even be considered treif. But if thats what these babies need to grow, thats what they should take.

Cholov Yisroel is a chumra.

A childs life comes first.

Anything else is the equivalent of a Chossid Shoteh, IMO.

Maven Mamma

Wed, Nov 16 2011, 3:19 pm

I know my sister is makpid on CY, even giving only Materna formula. But her daughter has chronic constipation so she uses the ex lax chocolates which are dairy. It helps her a lot so its a no brainer.
But have you tried CY formula or even soy? That might help too.
Primarily, nursed babies tend to be small. 3 out of 4 of my girls were under 20 lb at age 1. Now those 3 are all tall, thin and beautiful. The chubby one on the other hand is still chubby.

middy

Thu, Nov 17 2011, 10:26 am

I would give the cholov stam for sure, but just so you are aware there is a cholov yisroel option available now. its made by j and j and comes in a box drink.

Liba

Thu, Nov 17 2011, 10:45 am

I would ask to see a gastroenterologist and speak with a specialist before giving pediasure to a 10 month old. It isn't nutritionally made for children under a year old.

On the CY issue, it is a hard one. We did a lot to avoid chalav stam for my oldest, including working with a nutritionist to find way to increase calories without cholov stam products. We used heavy cream, CY milk powder, butter, etc for her and it was B"H enough.

My son's issues were more severe and he is mostly tube fed formula. It is whey based, which is less of an issue, but it still isn't cholov yisroel. What he takes by mouth we celebrate.

YSC

Thu, May 11 2023, 8:58 pm

middy wrote:

I would give the cholov stam for sure, but just so you are aware there is a cholov yisroel option available now. its made by j and j and comes in a box drink.

What is the J and J version called, and how does one go about finding it?

Thank you!

Ema of 5

Thu, May 11 2023, 9:29 pm

YSC wrote:

What is the J and J version called, and how does one go about finding it?

Thank you!

You might want to start your own thread- the comment you responded to is from 2011…..

accountantmommy

Thu, May 11 2023, 9:36 pm

For many people including us, cholov yisroel is not a chumra. We hold that non cholov yisroel tis just not kosher. That said, when our preemie was in the NICU and they told us to give him Neosure which is OUD mixed into his breastmilk to help him gain weight before having surgery we didn't bat an eye over giving it to him. If there is ever a heter for oud it is for a choleh. If your doctor really feels that they need this for their health then you should give it to the child. Ask your LOR for sure, but as someone who is very careful and very strict on CY, Im telling you if your rov holds it is muttar you need to not feel bad. Instead feel good that you are taking care of the child Hashem gave you to raise.

LovesHashem

Thu, May 11 2023, 10:55 pm

accountantmommy wrote:

Chalav Stam is not trief!

Chalav Yisroel is the halacha (not a chumrah)and chalav Stam is a leniency. We don't generally rely on a leniency for no reason but if there's a sufficient reason a Rav will give you a Heter.

Relying on a leniency doesn't make something treif.

teachkids

Fri, May 12 2023, 2:29 am

My oldest was on cholov Stam specialty formula as a baby because that's what she needed, so if necessary I would do it. But see if orgain kids or ripple kids, which are both pareve, have what your child needs.

new oldie

Fri, May 12 2023, 4:05 am

A child is supposed to triple their birthweight by a year, your daughter did that. I also had a small baby (2.15 kilo full term) and that wasn’t the one who was put on special formula. I’ve had kids on everything and with allergies. You’ll get through this. At one point we used carnation good start powder.