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Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 1:01 pm
anon for this wrote:
I did check it out. Most of those instances involve protest of public officials due to their political actions and statements, and calls by Democrats to protest public officials for their public political actions. Conflating this with the harassment of an ordinary citizen for wearing a hat is the kind of "journalism" for which Breitbart is known.

Nice try, though!

So, let's get this straight: I say, "Many of the cited cases aren't relevant, but there are a number that are."

You then say, "Ha ha. Most of the cited cases aren't relevant."

Um, yeah. That's what I said.

Let's try this again:

1. The list compiled by Breitbart includes harassment and assaults. Many of the cases cited are not relevant. A number are relevant, including several specifically involving MAGA hats.

2. The cases cited by Breitbart are all linked to local news stories, which are generally linked to police reports. Therefore, your opinion of Breitbart is irrelevant.

3. Breitbart has been repeatedly found, including by the left-wing Guardian, to maintain high reporting standards. They obviously pick their stories to reflect a conservative bias, which they are honest about.

You asked me to prove that other MAGA hat-related assaults have occurred. There are a number of mentions of such altercations in that list, along with links.

So are you claiming that those assaults didn't take place? That the links Breitbart provided are false? That the local reporting is false? That the police reports are false? That there haven't been arrests of Antifa members for assault against people they've identified as Trump supporters?
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anon for this









  


Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 1:04 pm
SpottedBanana wrote:
Do people realize how patronizing this is? I wish people would realize that you can have strong political views and be nice to the other side.


I think most posters here can tell you that I put great effort posting in a restrained, non-patronizing manner. In fact I started a thread not long ago apologizing to an anonymous poster in a closed thread for suggesting that she was wrong when I meant to say that her facts were incorrect.

But I also assume that posters here address others in the manner in which they would like to be addressed, so I tend to match my tone to theirs while, yes, being more restrained. So if a poster tells someone she disagrees with that she ought to wear a tin-foil hat (as this poster did in another thread today), I'll assume that she likewise prefers to be addressed in a more confrontational manner. So I made a comment that was a bit snarky but that I considered less insulting.
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SixOfWands









  


Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 1:07 pm
Fox wrote:
No, and this assumption shows where the real racism is today.

Most normal people in America actually do not equate all African Americans with African Americans stuck in dead-end inner cities, miles away from jobs and opportunity. It's not 1960 any longer. Most people see, work with, and interact with people of different races to one degree or another, and even people who are fairly insulated from other groups are increasingly aware that there's a spectrum of educational and economic attainment within groups.



You're right. Most normal people don't conflate poverty and ghettos with African Americans. Trump has.

Quote:

What do you have to lose by trying something new, like Trump? You’re living in your poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed — what the hell do you have to lose?”


58% of "your" youth -- all African American youth. Same "you" as "you're" living in poverty. "your" schools are not good. "you" have no jobs.

Quote:
The violence. The death. The lack of education. No jobs. We're going to work with the African-American community and we're going to solve the problem of the inner city. We're going to bring safety back. You can't walk out the street, you buy a loaf of bread and you end up getting shot. So we're going to work very strongly with the African American community.



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The Democrats have failed completely in the inner cities. For those hurting the most who have been failed and failed by their politician — year after year, failure after failure, worse numbers after worse numbers. Poverty. Rejection. Horrible education. No housing, no homes, no ownership. Crime at levels that nobody has seen. You can go to war zones in countries that we are fighting and it's safer than living in some of our inner cities that are run by the Democrats. And I ask you this, I ask you this — crime, all of the problems — to the African Americans, who I employ so many, so many people, to the Hispanics, tremendous people: What the hell do you have to lose? Give me a chance. I'll straighten it out. I'll straighten it out. What do you have to lose?"


What about the whites in the inner city? What about the majority of African Americans who don't live in poverty? Don't exist in Trump's world.
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InnerMe









  


Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 1:11 pm
Sadie wrote:
Sorry snowflake, why don’t you go color in your adult coloring book and cry into your Cheerios about it.

Scratching Head
I find the political discussions interesting and thought provoking even though I rarely contribute.. until they get nasty. Can you not state your disagreement in a kinder way?
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Aubergine


Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 1:13 pm
Sadie wrote:
If you wouldn’t send him to the park wearing a KKK hood, don’t send him with a MAGA hat.


Same as saying detention camps are the same as concentration camps. Come on.
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Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 1:20 pm
anon for this wrote:
I think most posters here can tell you that I put great effort posting in a restrained, non-patronizing manner. In fact I started a thread not long ago apologizing to an anonymous poster in a closed thread for suggesting that she was wrong when I meant to say that her facts were incorrect.

But I also assume that posters here address others in the manner in which they would like to be addressed, so I tend to match my tone to theirs while, yes, being more restrained. So if a poster tells someone she disagrees with that she ought to wear a tin-foil hat (as this poster did in another thread today), I'll assume that she likewise prefers to be addressed in a more confrontational manner. So I made a comment that was a bit snarky but that I considered less insulting.


Notice that I said "people," never "you," because I don't know anything about you. I'm sincerely asking if people in general can have a conversation about politics without being condescending. Like, just without it at all.
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saw50st8









  


Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 1:28 pm
I think equating a MAGA hat with the KKK is so indicative of the problems in politics today. The KKK has a long history of racism followed up with action - lynching, murders, arson, harrassment etc. Donald Trump may be a racist ******* who's policies you don't agree with (in fact, I don't agree with many of them either!) and think he should be voted out of office or impeached, but that doesn't make him the equivalent of the KKK.

I didn't vote for Donald Trump. I don't support his policies. I still recognize that he's not the evil of the KKK. He might turn out to be down the road (though I highly doubt that), but today a MAGA hat is NOT the equivalent of a KKK hood.
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Jeanette









  


Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 1:30 pm
It's really not possible because as someone pointed out, our perspectives are just so far apart.

Some people look at Trump and see an obvious crook, a bloviating self promoter and narcissist who ONLY acts in his own interests, never in the interests of America.

Others see a proud American Pro-Israel president fulfilling every conservative fantasy of control of America for decades to come. Oh and has a slight verbal diarrhea problem, no big deal. How could a Jew NOT support Trump?

It's really hard to find middle ground here. Like it's very hard for me to see how a person reads Trump's crazy tweets and sees a normal person, let alone a person fit to lead the free world. That's why most Trump supporter here tell you that we just shouldn't pay any attention to his tweets (or his rallies, his speeches or his interviews).
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sushilover









  


Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 1:33 pm
anon for this wrote:
I did check it out. Most of those instances involve protest of public officials due to their political actions and statements, and calls by Democrats to protest public officials for their public political actions. Conflating this with the harassment of an ordinary citizen for wearing a hat is the kind of "journalism" for which Breitbart is known.

Nice try, though!



I agree that not all of these instances are as bad as others, but you must agree that the 300 plus examples Breitbart lists show a disturbing trend. There is a growing number of people on the left who feel that if Trump is Hitler, his supporters are nazis. And why not punch a Nazi?

I went through Breitbart's list and deleted all the instances involving protests of public officials. I also deleted many instances that could be "jokes". But I did leave any threats to physically harm anyone, including a public official.
You are wrong when you say that "most" of these examples are just innocent protests. Most actually show people being harassed,threatened and even assaulted, often for simply supporting Trump.

July 10, 2018: Fox News Reporter Harassed, Threatened And Forced To Leave Supreme Court By Leftist Mob
July 9, 2018: Anti-Trump activists vandalize New York DHS office
July 8, 2018: LISTEN: Idaho GOP Rep. Receives Threatening Voicemails, Emails Because of This Facebook Post
July 8, 2018: Longtime Hillary Clinton aide publishes contact information about bookstore owner who stopped the harassment of Steve Bannon, Reines’s obvious goal is to see the bookstore owner harassed.
July 7, 2018: Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) menaced outside restaurant. We know where you live!
July 7, 2018: Left-wing AntiFa terrorists attack peaceful Tommy Robinson supporters in San Francisco
July 6, 2018: CNN analyst justifies violence against Trump supporters
July 6, 2018: Long Island Man Threatened to Kill Supporters of Republican Congressman, Trump: Police
July 6, 2018: Florida man attacked over Trump flag in yard.
July 6, 2018: Woman threatens to stab Alan Dershowitz in heart.
July 5, 2018: Founder of #WalkAway campaign refused service at camera store.
July 5, 2018: Trump supporter wearing Make America Great Again hat allegedly assaulted in burger joint (video at link).
July 3, 2018: Left-wing Catholic calls for sending Trump supporters to the guillotine
July 3, 2018: Nebraska GOP office vandalized.
July 2, 2018: MAGA hat wearer harassed at seafood restaurant
July 2, 2018: Mother of cancer survivor harassed online for thanking Eric Trump for $16 million in St. Jude support
July 2, 2018: Cher accuses ICE of “Gestapo tactics.”
July 2, 2018: Man accused of threatening to kill Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) and his family.
July 1, 2018: Man wearing MAGA hat refused service in restaurant.
July 1, 2018: AntiFa terrorists attack Patriot Prayer rally in Portland.
June 28, 2018: Journalist lies about Maryland mass-shooter being a Trump supporter.
June 29, 2018: California man accused of threatening to kill FCC Chairman Ajit Pai’s children.
June 28, 2018: Reuters editor says Trump has blood on his hands for murder of five journalists in Maryland. He still has a job.
June 26, 2018: Comedienne Kathy Griffin attacks the Trump administration as “pro-Nazi.” Obviously, once you describe someone as a Nazi, you are calling for violence against them.
June 26, 2018: Chicago bar refuses to serve Trump supporters.
June 25, 2018: Burned animal carcass left on Trump staffer’s porch.
June 25, 2018: After refusing to serve Sarah Sanders and the family, we learn a restaurant owner then organized a mob to harass Sanders’ family at a nearby restaurant.
June 25, 2018: CNN contributor attacks those on the right calling for civility.
June 22, 2018: Rep. Jackie Sperier (D-CA), compares border enforcement to Auschwitz.
June 22, 2018: On Morning Joe, Donny Deutsch smears Trump and his supporters as “Nazis.”
June 21, 2018: Actor Adam Scott compares Tucker Carlson to a Nazi.
June 20, 2018: Left-wing AntiFa terrorists publish list of ICE agents for harassment purposes.
Jun 20, 2018: Florida man accused of threatening to kill Rep. Brian Mast (R-FL), a U.S. combat veteran, and his children in a series of nearly 500 calls to his office.
June 20, 2018: Actor Peter Fonda calls for a mob to kidnap President Trump’s 11-year-old son and throw him in a cage with pedophiles.
June 20, 2018: Actor Peter Fonda calls for a mob to sexually humiliate and abuse Sarah Sanders and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen.
June 20, 2018: Nancy Sinatra praises Peter Fonda for his tweets.
June 20, 2018: Documentary filmmaker Josh Fox praises Peter Fonda for his tweets.
June 19, 2018: New Yorker fact checker publicly (and falsely) accuses a disabled war veteran who works for ICE of being a Nazi.
June 16, 2018: Jewish Trump Supporter Attacked Outside Kathy Griffin Show In San Francisco
June 15, 2018: Man has MAGA flag stolen at rally.
May 30, 2018: Anti-Trump Band NOFX Tells Vegas Audience ‘At Least It Was Country Fans’ Killed in Oct. Shooting
May 24, 2018: Anti-Trump forces threaten lawmakers’ lives in name of #Resistance
May 23, 2018: Tomi Lahren has water thrown at her at Minnesota restaurant
May 22, 2018: Trump supporter suspended from school over border wall t-shirt.
May 21, 2018: 14 threats reported against EPA chief Scott Pruitt.
May 14, 2018: Black man in MAGA hat harassed, threatened, called “nigger” at Cheesecake Factory.
May 12, 2018: MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace asks “How do you resist the temptation to run up and wring [Sarah Sanders’] neck?”
April 23, 2018: Trump supporter shouted out of bar in New York.
April 8, 2018: David Crosby celebrates fatal Trump Tower fire: ‘oh boy … burn baby burn’
April 7, 2018: Mental Health Expert who hates POTUS cheers Fire at Trump Tower-Jeffrey Guterman
April 4, 2018: Councilwoman accused of yelling obscenities at teen wearing Trump shirt
April 3, 2018: Woman brutally attacked in restaurant over support for Trump.
May 22, 2018: CNN guest on Trump: “If you’re going to shoot him, you have to shoot to kill.”
March 19, 2018: Democratic Congressman Hints at Armed Rebellion Against Trump
March 19, 2018: Trump supporters attacked for protesting anti-police coffee shop.
March 16, 2018: Capitol police arrest male democrat operative over assault of Trump official
March 15, 2018: Student with ‘Trump’ flag assaulted by mob during National School Walkout
March 4, 2018: WATCH: MSNBC Joy Reid Panel Hopes Conservatives ‘Die Off’
February 27, 2018: Trump supporter threatened with knife.
February 23, 2018: Spanish teachers have students hit Trump piñata in Laguna Hills
February 22, 2018: Guardian, HuffPost Contributor Karen Geier: ‘Hopefully’ Kim Jong Un ‘Can Drop a Bomb on CPAC’
February 21, 2018: CNN publicly smears elderly Trump supporter as Russian plant, death threats follow
February 8, 2018: Northeastern University wishes death on Trump during lecture
February 8, 2018: Journalist calls for profs to drown conservative students
February 7, 2018: Democrat attested for sending white powder to Donald Trump Jr.
February 2, 2018: CNN Writer Thanks God for Fatal GOP Train Wreck
January 29, 2018: Saginaw, MI businessman’s Trump sign vandalized.
December 20, 2017: AntiFa terrorists assault Trump supporter outside bookstore
December 18, 2017: Eminem song ‘Framed’ plots assassination of Ivanka Trump
December 9, 2017: Students wearing MAGA hats booted from ‘safe space’ coffee shop
December 3, 2017: Trump supporter’ home and vehicle vandalized for second time.
November 27, 2017: Singer Morrissey: I would kill Trump ‘for the safety of humanity’
November 22, 2017: Trump-hater snatches, steals student’s MAGA hat.
November 22, 2017: Man mistaken for Trump supporter attacked
November 20, 2017: University of IL instructor assault Trump supporters
November 13, 2017: Trump supporter assaulted for wearing MAGA hat.
October 26, 2017: SF Gate columnist says death threats against EPA chief Scott Pruitt make sense
October 19, 2017: Left-wing thugs arrested for disrupting College Republican meeting, shouting “fascists,” “racists” and “white supremacists”
September 26, 2017: Professor Doubles Down on Tweet Saying ‘Trump Must Hang’
September 17, 2017: Trump supporter physically assaulted in Roosevelt High School gym.
September 10, 2017: Portland police arrest seven in latest antifa violence aimed at Patriot Prayer
August 28, 2017: Car with Trump bumper sticker vandalized in San Francisco.
August 28, 2017: Left-wing AntiFa terrorists attack peaceful Trump supporters at Berkeley.
August 28, 2017: GOP headquarters in Fayetteville, KY vandalized. “Die Nazi Scum” spray painted on windows.
August 24, 2017: PA AntiFa Cell Calls for Violence Against Police, All-out Revolutio
August 24, 2017: Black Trump supporter spit at for wearing MAGA hat.
August 23, 2017: Black Trump supporter sucker punched in Laguna Beach.
August 23, 2017: Black Trump supporter punched multiple times while leaving Trump’s Arizona rally
August 19, 2017: WATCH: Older Woman Holding American Flag Hit, Dragged in Boston
August 18. 2017: Top Missouri Democrat calls for Trump to be “assassinated.”
August 17, 2017: ‘Nazis’ spray painted on New Hampshire GOP headquarters
August 16, 2017: Anti-Donald Trump campaigner ‘shoots Republican neighbour twice in the head’
August 14, 2017: After Branding Trump a Fascist, Never Trumper Calls for Lynching of Fascists
August 14, 2017: Conservative student attacked for “YAF” hat at vigil for Charlottesville victims.
July 31, 2017: Women’s studies professor wants Trump shot
July 19, 2017: Rosie O’Donnell sparks outrage with Trump-killing game
July 7, 2017: Student threatened for supporting Trump.
July 7, 2017: Man attacked for wearing MAGA hat in New York bar.
July 3, 2017: Philadelphia Trump supporter jumped by three men after rallies
June 28, 2018: Co-Chair of Women for Trump Receives Death Threats After CNN Appearance
June 22, 2017: Rep. Jason Chaffetz Death Threat: ‘Prepare for the Battle, Motherf***er’
June 22, 2017: Ohio Man Charged With Threatening GOP Congressman
June 22, 2017: Actor Johnny Depp “jokes” about assassinating Trump.
June 20, 2018: Manhunt Underway For Central Pa. Man Accused Of Threatening To Kill President Trump, Other Officials
June 19, 2017: University of Georgia Socialist Group Under Police Investigation After Calling for Beheading Republican
June 17, 2017: Dem Strategist James Devine Launches Hashtag #HuntRepublicanCongressmen After Steve Scalise Shooting
June 17, 2017: Rep. Ann Wagner (R-MO) reports five death threats to Capitol Police
June 15, 2017: Powder-Filled Letters With Threatening Notes Shut Down Georgia Republican’s Neighborhood
June 15, 2017: Several shots fired at truck flying ‘Make America Great Again’ flag on I-465 in Indiana
June 14, 2017: HuffPo publishes article calling for “execution” of Trump.
June 14, 2017: Republican receives threat after shooting, warning “one down, 216 to go…”
June 14, 2017: Bernie Sanders supporter opens fire on a group of Republican congressman. Rep. Steve Scalise is shot and nearly dies.
June 10, 2017: Trump supporter beaten with ‘Queers for Muslims’ sign in Seattle.
June 10, 2017: Left-wing terrorists with AntiFa hurl urine at woman protesting against Sharia
June 7, 2017: HuffPo: ‘Inherent Value’ and ‘Logic’ in Violence Against Trump Supporters
June 7, 2017: Veteran’s wife violently beaten for voting for Trump
June 6, 2017: “Trump” is stabbed to death in front of cheering audience in Central Park
June 3, 2017: Anti-Trump band decapitates Trump statue on stage
May 30, 2017: Kathy Griffin beheads Trump picture.
May 10, 2017: VA Republican Congressman and His Family Receive Death Threats
May 21, 2017: Rep. Ted Yoho (R-FL.) office vandalized, staff threatened
May 19, 2017: Man arrested for multiple acts of anti-Trump vandalism.
May 15, 2017: Tucson school district employee arrested over threats to U.S. Rep. Martha McSally
May 13, 2017: Woman attempts to drive GOP congressman off road over health-care vote, police say
May 10, 2017: Police investigate death threats Rep. Tom Garrett received prior to town hall
May 8, 2017: TN Woman Arrested for Trying to Run GOP Congressman’s Car Off Road
May 4, 2017: Leaked Screenshots Reveal BuzzFeed Director Wishing for Trump Assassination
April 29, 2016: WATCH: Women, Children, Elderly Trump Supporters Pepper Sprayed in CA
April 27, 2017: Oregon Parade Canceled Due to Violent Threats By ‘Anti-Fascists’ Against Republican Participants
April 23, 2017: Left-wing AntiFa arrested for assault in DC.
April 20, 2017: University of Alaska is displaying a painting of a decapitated Trump in its gallery
April 19. 2017: MSNBC ‘Counter-Terrorism Analyst’ Calls for ISIS Bombing of Trump Property
April 15, 2017: Left-wing AntiFa terrorists start riot in Berkeley.
April 15, 2017: Left-wing terrorists with AntiFa assault Trump supporter with bike lock.
April 14, 2017: Two arrested for burning private Trump sign in Maryland
April 6, 2018: During Ellen appearance, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) “jokes” about killing Trump, Pence, Sessions on elevator.
April 5, 2018: Orange Park, FL Trump supporter spends two hours in surgery after attack.
April 3, 2017: Left-wing AntiFa terrorists disrupt pro-Trump rally in Vancouver
March 27, 2017: Pro-Trump march organizer pepper-sprayed by protester
March 20, 2017: Violent kids hit Trump supporter in face with skateboard
March 19, 2017: MAGA hat wearer kicked out of bar
March 19, 2017: ‘Murder Trump ASAP’ graffiti found on freeway wall in San Diego
March 17, 2017: ‘Making History’ Star Adam Pally Says He Wants To ‘Kill Trump’
March 16, 2016: Rapper Bow Wow threatens to “pimp” first lady Melania
March 15, 2017: University of Michigan student detained after damaging Trump supporter’s flag
March 16, 2017: Pro-Trump Michael Savage assaulted.
March 14, 2017: Young Trump supporters harassed online as Nazis
March 12, 2017: Snoop Dogg “shoots” Trump in the head.
March 9, 2017: Florida man punched in face after road rage incident sparked by Trump bumper sticker
March 7, 2017: Hillary VP pick and Sen. Tim Kaine’s (D-VA) son arrested for hurling smoke bomb in the Minnesota Capitol rotund
March 6, 2017: Berkeley man arrested for destroying College Republican sign
March 5, 2017: Leftist rioters crash peaceful pro-Trump rally with tasers
March 4, 2017: Left-wing rioters attack peaceful pro-Trump rally at Berkeley
March 1, 2017: Trump supporter’s car vandalized in Oregon
February 26, 2017: Trump supporter’s house egged three times in New York
February 26, 2017: Female Trump supporter assaulted in Hollywood
February 25, 2017: Ohio man assaulted by anti-Trump mob
February 27, 2017: LEAKED AUDIO REVEALS ANTI-TRUMP FORCES MANUFACTURING HOSTILE TOWN HALL
February 27, 2017: Flier in North Carolina calls on mobs to assault Trump supporters
February 22, 2017: Tires slashed at Congressman’s town hall meeting in Mariposa
February 17, 2017: Professor tweets ‘Trump must hang,’ gets paid leave:
February 16, 2017: Kansas City man with AR-15 taunts Trump supporter, rips down Trump flag
February 15, 2017: Hateful messages found on Trump supporter’s historic Denver home
February 15, 2017: Mob knocks district director for Dana Rohrbacher (R-CA) unconscious
February 14, 2017: Stephen Colbert puts White House adviser Stephen Miller’s head on a pike.
February 13, 2017: Black Trump supporter’s home vandalized with “KKK’ spray paint – hoax hate crime
February 11, 2017: University of Central Florida Club Incites Young Kids To “Kill Donald Trump”
February 10, 2017: Black Lives Matter bully threatens to smash woman’s laptop over Trump sticker.
February 9, 2017: Man arrested for attacking Trump supporter in California
February 9, 2017: AntiFa middle school teacher Yvette Felarca arrested for starting riot in Berkeley
February 8, 2017: CSUF instructor suspended for striking pro-Trump student
February 7, 2018: Trump supporters’ home vandalized in Oceanside CA
February 7, 2017: Girl in MAGA hat pepper sprayed
February 5, 2017: Rapper Big Sean Threatens to Kill Donald Trump in New Freestyle
February 4, 2017: School suspends victim after he is beaten for wearing MAGA
February 3, 2017: More than 12,000 tweets have called for Trump’s assassination since the inauguration
February 2, 2017: Arrests at NYU after left-wing thugs disrupt conservative speaker
February 2, 2017: Trump supporter attacked in street in Berkeley
February 1, 2017: Seahawks Quarterback Russell Wilson Hints at Trump Assassination
February 1, 2017: Left-wing terrorist group AntiFa assaults Trump supporters at Berkeley.
January 31, 2017: Portland Trump Supporter Beaten Unconscious After Being Hit by Airport Protesters
January 29, 2017: Times Journo Calls for Assassination of President Trump
January 23, 2017: WATCH woman harass Trump supporter on flight
January 23, 2017: Protesters Throw Water at Trump Inaugural Ball Attendees
January 22, 2017: Trump supporter Scott Baio was roughed up by protesters in DC
January 21, 2017: Madonna fantasizes about blowing up the White House.
January 20, 2017: Reporter falsely accuses 10-year-old Barron Trump of killing 100 small animals
January 20, 2017: Anti-Trump protester lights Trump supporter’s hair on fire.
January 20, 2017: Left-wing terrorist group Antifa riots over Trump’s inauguration.
January 17, 2017: German journalist: Assassination of Trump would end ‘tragedy’
January 5, 2017: Left-wing thugs kidnap, beat, and torture an 18-year-old with schizophrenia while shouting “**** Trump” and “**** white people.”
December 15, 2016: Cornell College Republicans president assaulted, called ‘racist b****’
December 14, 2016: Politico reporter accuses Trump of incest.
December 10, 2016: Orange Coast College prof calls Trump election “act of terrorism,” “we are in Civil War times”
November 19, 2016: Texas High School Students Perform Trump ‘Assassination’ Skit
November 18, 2016: Actor Michael Shannon: Time for Trump voters to die
November 16, 2016: PacketSled CEO resigns after threatening to kill Trump
November 16, 2016: Man gunned down outside bar after he joked about voting for Trump
November 16, 2016: Left-wing thugs assault 15-year-old Trump supporter.
November 14, 2016: Film Director Paul Schrader Calls for Violence to Protest Against Trump
November 12, 2016: 2 Men Attack Trump Supporter in Meriden, CT
November 12, 2016: Man in MAGA hat attacked by New York subway rider.
November 11, 2016: FL STUDENT CHARGED WITH BATTERY AFTER PUNCHING BOY HOLDING TRUMP SIGN
November 11, 2016: BLM Anti-Bullying Activist Arrested for Assaulting 74 Year-Old Trump Supporter
November 11, 2016: Mother emotionally abuses child for “voting” for Trump.
November 10, 2016: Telegraph’s columnist Monisha Rajesh expressed a desire that Donald Trump be assassinated in a tweet
November 10, 2016: Student Trump supporter attacked at Woodside High School
November 10, 2016: Anti-Trump Protester Calls For Death and Violence on CNN
November 10, 2016: Trump Supporter Beaten in Chicago Street, Recorded on Video
November 10, 2016: ‘People Have to Die’: Anti-Trump Protester Calls For Violence on CNN
November 10, 2016: Orange Is the New Black star Lea DeLaria threatens “to pick up a baseball bat and take out every f*cking Republican and independent I see.”
November 9, 2016: Stafford, TX student says he was attacked for supporting Trump in mock election
November 9, 2016: Marilyn Manson “kills” Trump in music video.
November 7, 2016: Trump volunteer assaulted, robbed for wearing MAGA hat
November 6, 2016: Trump Supporter’s Truck Torched Because of Bumper Sticker
October 29, 2016: Homeless woman guarding Trump’s Walk of Fame star assaulted in Hollywood.
October 28, 2016: Trump signs vandalized in Quincy, IL.
October 16, 2016: Left-wing terrorists firebomb GOP headquarters in North Carolina.
October 16, 2016: 17 vehicles vandalized at Trump rally in Bangor, Maine.
October 7, 2016: Robert De Niro says he wants to “punch” Trump in the face.
October 3, 2016: Trump billboard defaced with swastikas.
September 18, 2016: Trump supporter beaten in El Cajon.
August 27, 2017: Vandals deface Trump supporter’s lawn signs.
August 20, 2016: PROTESTERS PUNCH, PUSH, SCREAM AT TRUMP FUNDRAISER ATTENDEES
August 19, 2016: Left-wing thugs attack Trump’s motorcade and his supporters.
August 18, 2016: 68-year-old Cancer Survivor Attacked at Garage Sale Over Support for Trump
August 9, 2016: Man’s Trump T-shirt sparked crowbar attack, cops say
August 6, 2016: Massachusetts woman vandalizes Trump sign, tries to run down owner.
July 31, 2016: WATCH: Clinton Supporter Lights Flag On Fire, Attacks Trump Supporter
July 1, 2016: Black Teenage Trump supporter in Atlanta receives death threats For Supporting Trump
June 18, 2016: Man attempts to assassinate Trump.
June 2, 2016: Left-wing thugs violently attack Trump supporters. One women was surrounded by a mob and pelted with raw eggs.
May 8, 2016: Trump Supporter Christopher Conway Attacked By the Tolerant Left
April 7, 2016: Actor Mickey Rourke challenges Donald Trump to a fight – with a baseball bat
March 21, 2016: Man’s homemade Trump billboard vandalized and destroyed in Michigan.
March 17, 2016: Violent protesters attack Trump supporters in Chicago.
March 15, 2016: Vandals deface Trump signs in Dayton Ohio,
March 14, 2016: CNN treats man who tried to tackle Trump as folk hero.
March 12, 2016: Trump supporter’s Virginia house vandalized
March 12, 2016: Man tries to tackle Trump at campaign rally.
March 9, 2016: Trump billboard removed due to repeated vandalism in West Town IL.
March 1, 2016: Former Daily Show contributor Larry Wilmore “jokes” about killing Trump.
January 5, 2016: Jewish Trump support’s Trump sign vandalized with Nazi images.
November 19, 2015: ‘Black Lives Matter’ Activist Calls for Donald Trump’s Assassination


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amother




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Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 1:34 pm
anon for this wrote:
I think most posters here can tell you that I put great effort posting in a restrained, non-patronizing manner. In fact I started a thread not long ago apologizing to an anonymous poster in a closed thread for suggesting that she was wrong when I meant to say that her facts were incorrect.

But I also assume that posters here address others in the manner in which they would like to be addressed, so I tend to match my tone to theirs while, yes, being more restrained. So if a poster tells someone she disagrees with that she ought to wear a tin-foil hat (as this poster did in another thread today), I'll assume that she likewise prefers to be addressed in a more confrontational manner. So I made a comment that was a bit snarky but that I considered less insulting.


How about when you asked me if I understand what freedom of speech means? Do you not see how patronizing that was?

And yes, as a side point I do understand what freedom of speech means.

Totally irrelevant to the discussion, other than as it serves to highlight the hypocrisy of those who claim to support it, yet are willing to use violence to silence those with whom they disagree. Which I assume was Natural mom's point; she was the poster who first mentioned freedom.

Eta. It's actually an interesting and complex legal issue: What constitutes "speech"; what constitutes protected speech; responsibility and duties of government vs private actors; etc.

But rather than discuss any of those issues, you implied that I fail to understand something that I myself just said. That personalized the discussion, so now we can debate my comprehension levels instead of the actual issues.
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Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 1:35 pm
Jeanette wrote:
It's really not possible because as someone pointed out, our perspectives are just so far apart.

Some people look at Trump and see an obvious crook, a bloviating self promoter and narcissist who ONLY acts in his own interests, never in the interests of America.

Others see a proud American Pro-Israel president fulfilling every conservative fantasy of control of America for decades to come. Oh and has a slight verbal diarrhea problem, no big deal. How could a Jew NOT support Trump?

It's really hard to find middle ground here. Like it's very hard for me to see how a person reads Trump's crazy tweets and sees a normal person, let alone a person fit to lead the free world. That's why most Trump supporter here tell you that we just shouldn't pay any attention to his tweets (or his rallies, his speeches or his interviews).




Actually, what frightens me the most is that I think I understand it.
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Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 1:59 pm
SixOfWands wrote:
What about the whites in the inner city? What about the majority of African Americans who don't live in poverty? Don't exist in Trump's world.

Sorry, but this is just silly. He was specifically addressing the problems faced by inner city African-American communities. He did not discuss white urban poverty in that particular speech, nor did he discuss grazing rights in the West nor issues confronting middle-class Americans of any shade. That wasn't the topic.

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I think most posters here can tell you that I put great effort posting in a restrained, non-patronizing manner. In fact I started a thread not long ago apologizing to an anonymous poster in a closed thread for suggesting that she was wrong when I meant to say that her facts were incorrect.

But I also assume that posters here address others in the manner in which they would like to be addressed, so I tend to match my tone to theirs while, yes, being more restrained. So if a poster tells someone she disagrees with that she ought to wear a tin-foil hat (as this poster did in another thread today), I'll assume that she likewise prefers to be addressed in a more confrontational manner. So made a comment that was a bit snarky but that I considered less insulting.

Once upon a time, I was a liberal . . . oh, wait. That's Brandon Straka's line!

Once upon a time, I was extremely measured in my responses and polite to a fault. I tried not to respond to insults or provocation. In return, Imamothers have called me a racist; called me a Nazi-sympathizer; have accused me of wishing rape on women; and have expressed the wish that they could inflict violence on me.

So I've had to toughen up. I don't consider that a good thing. But I'm one of the few Imamothers who is willing to get out there with her screen name and risk being called a racist or whatever the insult of the day is. The irony, of course, is that I was not a Trump supporter during the primaries and voted for him with reservations. But the more I've been attacked and seen others attacked, the more happy I am that he's President. Whatever faults I find with him, either personally or in terms of policy, I realize that I don't wish to embrace the worldview of most of those who oppose him.

#WalkAway
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Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 2:09 pm
amother wrote:
Same as saying detention camps are the same as concentration camps. Come on.


Look, there was a time and place where a member of the KKK or white citizens council was a perfectly ordinary and respectable thing to be. They were your doctors, your judges, your mayors, your schoolteachers, your neighbors. A lot of them would have bristled at the suggestion that they were bigots. They weren’t hateful. They gave their maid their kids old clothes. They considered themselves moderate conservatives. The people who disagreed with them didn’t have the luxury of writing them off as fringe lunatics. Their views were held by a large percentage of the American population and were considered to be a legitimate “side” in the debates about a changing society. Now it’s considered extremely offensive to be compared to a KKK member. That’s a good thing.
But being a trump supporter is the 2018 equivalent. It just might take you another 40-50 years to realize it.
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Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 2:18 pm
Sadie wrote:
Sorry snowflake, why don’t you go color in your adult coloring book and cry into your Cheerios about it.


Wow I have lost all respect for anyone that can speak this way. Losing yourself once can be overlooked. But persistent nastiness is not excusable.

I’m a new poster and it sure doesn't mean much to you but I feel it has to be said.
Hearing attacks like this disinclines me from taking any of your ideas seriously.
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Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 2:21 pm
Sadie wrote:
Look, there was a time and place where a member of the KKK or white citizens council was a perfectly ordinary and respectable thing to be. They were your doctors, your judges, your mayors, your schoolteachers, your neighbors. A lot of them would have bristled at the suggestion that they were bigots. They weren’t hateful. They gave their maid their kids old clothes.

Right. Kind of like actress Amber Heard warning her friends and neighbors to give their nannies, gardeners, and maids a ride home to avoid immigration checks at bus stops. How can she be a bigot? She's against Trump! She wants all those nice Central American people to come and work for a pittance rather than pay enough for someone to own a car . . .

I don't think we're going to have to wait 40-50 years to see where the hate really is . . .
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Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 2:29 pm
4pom wrote:
Wow I have lost all respect for anyone that can speak this way. Losing yourself once can be overlooked. But persistent nastiness is not excusable.

I’m a new poster and it sure doesn't mean much to you but I feel it has to be said.
Hearing attacks like this disinclines me from taking any of your ideas seriously.


Wow that makes me so sad 😭
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Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 2:34 pm
Fox wrote:
Right. Kind of like actress Amber Heard warning her friends and neighbors to give their nannies, gardeners, and maids a ride home to avoid immigration checks at bus stops. How can she be a bigot? She's against Trump! She wants all those nice Central American people to come and work for a pittance rather than pay enough for someone to own a car . . .

I don't think we're going to have to wait 40-50 years to see where the hate really is . . .


Right, the libs are the real racists, just like it was racist to be against family separation (because it means ivory tower libs don’t care about sx trafficking) of course until trump reversed the family separation policy. That bold, visionary move made it okay to be against family separation again, and solidified why our dear leader is so great.
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Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 2:44 pm
Fox wrote:
Right. Kind of like actress Amber Heard warning her friends and neighbors to give their nannies, gardeners, and maids a ride home to avoid immigration checks at bus stops. How can she be a bigot? She's against Trump! She wants all those nice Central American people to come and work for a pittance rather than pay enough for someone to own a car . . .

I don't think we're going to have to wait 40-50 years to see where the hate really is . . .


The racism there isn't what you think it is, of course. Its in assuming that most nannies and housekeepers are undocumented aliens.

But, of course, so does our government, setting up checkpoints to round up people who are just trying to earn a living.

Its so easy to pick on some random B-list celebrity, while ignoring the racism of the president you spend so much time supporting. And let's start with his blatantly racist birther lies. His reference to Mexicans as "rapists" and his statements that a judge with Latino ancestry must be biased. His racial baiting of Elizabeth Warren. His statement that the crowd at the white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va., included “some very fine people.” His dismissal of majority black nations as “sh1thole countries.” His labeling an African-American member of Congress “low IQ.” And move on to everything else.

Why not pick on those comments? Instead of someone whose claim to fame is that she appeared in The Playboy Club, which apparently was a TV show in 2011, and used to be married to Johnny Depp. (Yeah, I had to look that up, because I never heard of her.)
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Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 2:53 pm
SixOfWands wrote:
The racism there isn't what you think it is, of course. Its in assuming that most nannies and housekeepers are undocumented aliens.


That's what I assumed she meant. How else could it be understood as racist?
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Post  Tue, Jul 10 2018, 2:57 pm
Sadie wrote:
Right, the libs are the real racists, just like it was racist to be against family separation (because it means ivory tower libs don’t care about sx trafficking) of course until trump reversed the family separation policy. That bold, visionary move made it okay to be against family separation again, and solidified why our dear leader is so great.

No, it wasn't racist to be against family separation, but a lot of people, including many here on Imamother, were naive about it. They were responding emotionally to the idea of crying toddlers being ripped from their mothers' arms, but that is a very tiny fraction of the situations involving minors.

S-x trafficking is a significant issue that ICE deals with, and one of the big pushes in the Trump administration has been to clamp down on s-x trafficking and Internet s-x crimes involving children. DOJ

So after everyone agreed that we don't want toddlers ripped from their mothers' arms, Trump signed a limited executive order to prevent that, and now the complaints are coming in that family reunification is taking too long. I should certainly hope so. The Obama administration's solution to the problem was to place minors with sponsors without doing background checks, leading not only to s-x trafficking but literal slavery. WaPo

So you can bring all the sarcasm you like to the table, the issue is not simple, and too many people seem willing to sell children into slavery simply to make the photo-ops at the border look better.
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