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Post  Wed, Jun 12 2019, 9:27 pm
Bruria wrote:
I thought the Sanhedrin decided what's allowed and forbidden, not modern day rabbis. In any case, I agree with you that everyone has free will, but as I saw on this thread, many mothers wish their children had a choice but have none. I think that if one chooses to dedicate themselves to both it is possible, I am an optimist. A person can become a rabbi and also have a profession, I have met many like this, that are doctors, lawyers, engineers and also have semicha. I don't think this is wrong and I can't understand why anyone would look down upon them. They have kodesh and secular knowledge. Support themselves and teach Torah.

These mothers should quit whining and move their kids to a yeshiva where they will have a choice. I can hear people complaining about not having been given a choice as a kid, but what excuse is there for a parent who's the one making the choice for their kids? And spare me the garbage of parents not having a choice. There's always a choice. You are the one choosing which school to send your kid to. Don't send him to a place you don't like and then complain about how you don't like the place.
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Post  Wed, Jun 12 2019, 10:09 pm
southernbubby wrote:
Using Torah to earn money may be more recent but there has been Yisacher and Zevulin since the beginning of Judaism and apparently there were always people who learned while someone supported them.


I just want to point out - again - that it was actually shevet Levi who learned only, and did not have a profession at all.
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amother




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Post  Wed, Jun 12 2019, 10:38 pm
soap suds wrote:
These mothers should quit whining and move their kids to a yeshiva where they will have a choice. I can hear people complaining about not having been given a choice as a kid, but what excuse is there for a parent who's the one making the choice for their kids? And spare me the garbage of parents not having a choice. There's always a choice. You are the one choosing which school to send your kid to. Don't send him to a place you don't like and then complain about how you don't like the place.

If only it were that simple.Most of the time that would mean a lot of backlash from family and friends, and in some communities there isn't a choice without leaving the community.
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soap suds




 
 
 


Post  Wed, Jun 12 2019, 10:43 pm
amother [ Natural ] wrote:
If only it were that simple.Most of the time that would mean a lot of backlash from family and friends, and in some communities there isn't a choice without leaving the community.

Most of the time? I'm not talking about switching your kid to some far left yeshiva or something. There are quite a few Chasidish yeshivas with a good secular studies program. Most of the time there won't be any backlash.
Could there be backlash from family? sure. But that would be far from most of the time.
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amother




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Post  Wed, Jun 12 2019, 10:53 pm
soap suds wrote:
Most of the time? I'm not talking about switching your kid to some far left yeshiva or something. There are quite a few Chasidish yeshivas with a good secular studies program. Most of the time there won't be any backlash.
Could there be backlash from family? sure. But that would be far from most of the time.

I complain about (dd) school a lot and I hear this from a lot of my friends that nothing is keeping me there and I should just pull her out etc. But, the flip side is that it is impossible to get her into a school of my choice right now. Trust me, I have tried. It doesn't either make sense for me to uproot the rest of my family, including jobs, schools, shul and everything to move to a different community just because it works for one child. So, yes, sometimes you are the parent and you really don't have a choice.
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Post  Wed, Jun 12 2019, 10:57 pm
amother [ Purple ] wrote:
I complain about (dd) school a lot and I hear this from a lot of my friends that nothing is keeping me there and I should just pull her out etc. But, the flip side is that it is impossible to get her into a school of my choice right now. Trust me, I have tried. It doesn't either make sense for me to uproot the rest of my family, including jobs, schools, shul and everything to move to a different community just because it works for one child. So, yes, sometimes you are the parent and you really don't have a choice.


Yes, you have a choice. Buy English books. Lots of them. Encourage her to read. Reading is the gateway to higher learning. If that is a value... not sure why it should be, but if it is, that's what you should do.
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amother




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Post  Wed, Jun 12 2019, 11:19 pm
Mommyg8 wrote:
Yes, you have a choice. Buy English books. Lots of them. Encourage her to read. Reading is the gateway to higher learning. If that is a value... not sure why it should be, but if it is, that's what you should do.

Reading is not her issue. She reads way too much as it is. I was responding to the quit whining and switch schools post, saying that you don't always have that choice. Although, technically, I could quit whining...
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amother




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Post  Thu, Jun 13 2019, 12:25 am
Mommyg8 wrote:
I just want to point out - again - that it was actually shevet Levi who learned only, and did not have a profession at all.


Shevet Levi also taught Torah, and of course they worked in the Mikdash, in shifts.
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amother




Cerulean


Post  Thu, Jun 13 2019, 12:30 am
So which chassidish yeshiva in brooklyn has a good english education? Because my boys are in a pretty good neutral yeshiva in bp and the english education is- well- not so great to put it mildly
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Post  Thu, Jun 13 2019, 7:29 am
As far as I know, the yeshivas with decent secular subjects are mainly in MO communities where getting into top colleges is a priority.
For me, when I drive through the beautiful neighborhoods here and see the many impressive private homes (and the newer multi family condos) and see that these are Chassidishe neighborhoods, I realize that Someone Up There is providing parnassa for these folks. The old shacks here are either boarded up or are inhabited by non-Jews but the majority of Jews here have decent housing.
Yes I realize that some men support families doing menial labor or teaching in yeshivas but one family that I know went into business after years of kollel and now live comfortably.
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Ruchel




 
 
 


Post  Thu, Jun 13 2019, 4:16 pm
Satmar funds schools graduating, though.
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amother




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Post  Thu, Jun 13 2019, 4:21 pm
southernbubby wrote:
As far as I know, the yeshivas with decent secular subjects are mainly in MO communities where getting into top colleges is a priority.
For me, when I drive through the beautiful neighborhoods here and see the many impressive private homes (and the newer multi family condos) and see that these are Chassidishe neighborhoods, I realize that Someone Up There is providing parnassa for these folks. The old shacks here are either boarded up or are inhabited by non-Jews but the majority of Jews here have decent housing.
Yes I realize that some men support families doing menial labor or teaching in yeshivas but one family that I know went into business after years of kollel and now live comfortably.


Does that mean that the women in this group who tell us that they cannot afford rent or food or clothing, and that they cannot get decent jobs because of a lack of education, are lying? Or that they're just slackers who could own million-dollar houses if they would just try?

You have chosen to live in a relatively wealthy community, so there are relatively wealthy people living there. That doesn't necessarily reflect the world at large.
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amother




Mauve


Post  Thu, Jun 13 2019, 4:59 pm
soap suds wrote:
Most of the time? I'm not talking about switching your kid to some far left yeshiva or something. There are quite a few Chasidish yeshivas with a good secular studies program. Most of the time there won't be any backlash.
Could there be backlash from family? sure. But that would be far from most of the time.

Name those chassidishe yeshivos, please.
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